Unless I am mis remembering the Shield "recal" was from a small batch that had tolerance issues on the hinged trigger safety, causing it to potentially not reset. This did not require a redesign, and refit of all guns made up until that point like the xds, or 365. It was a small batch manufacturing error, vs a design issue or oversight.
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Unless I am mis remembering the Shield "recal" was from a small batch that had tolerance issues on the hinged trigger safety, causing it to potentially not reset. This did not require a redesign, and refit of all guns made up until that point like the xds, or 365. It was a small batch manufacturing error, vs a design issue or oversight.
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They’re already going for far over MSRP on gunbroker. $650 and still climbing. Add in shipping and FFL and people are gonna be paying $250 over MSRP. Fool and his money are soon parted.
Speaking of "counting" has SIG sold over 3 million P365's or are they trying to catch up to Shield sales ?
One, they haven’t been out as long. Two, they never sold for $200 or so.
Anyone have a "theory" about the extra capacity, or do we already know? The new + frame seems to be about the same as the Shield 2.0 frame. Are they copying other manufacturers magazines, or is there another explanation?
I remember the old Ram-Line mags that used a flat spring in kind of an "accordian" configuration. Could this be the design switch in terms of the extra capacity in the magazine?
I remember the old Ram-Line mags that used a flat spring in kind of an "accordian" configuration. Could this be the design switch in terms of the extra capacity in the magazine?
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There is a seller with 37 of them for $550 + 25 shipping buy-it-now and no C.C. fees. I pay $25 FFL. That's $50 total over MSRP.
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Times have changed. We now see all kinds of Youtube videos with multiple attackers.
People are worried and now the thought of having to deal with two or more armed assailants is not a crazy idea.
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I think I'm going to hold on to the M&P Shield 2.0 9mm
If I need something smaller then the Bodyguard 380 or something larger one of my Hk USP Compact 40 S&Ws
Love the thickness of the Shield & the texture of the 2.0
Now for the guys who will try an fit one of the new Plus magazines into a Non Plus Shield by changing mag catch & dremel tool the opening or will the new magazine work in the older guns.. We Wanna Know..
Who has both that can enlighten us..
If I need something smaller then the Bodyguard 380 or something larger one of my Hk USP Compact 40 S&Ws
Love the thickness of the Shield & the texture of the 2.0
Now for the guys who will try an fit one of the new Plus magazines into a Non Plus Shield by changing mag catch & dremel tool the opening or will the new magazine work in the older guns.. We Wanna Know..
Who has both that can enlighten us..
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And that’s too much. MSRP is too much.
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I'd consider myself a die hard S&W guy. My fir edc was an M&P 40c, then the original shield in a 9mm. A bodyguard is in my pocket right now. But my favorite pistol, and best shooting for me is my P365.
I didn't get an m2.0 shield, but I do have a plus on the way. I guess I just think the M&P's are a sexy beast. I've got the 2.0 in compacts 9mm and 40 and an original 45c. Fine fine pistols.
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See my post in the “Just watched the virtual event = Confused” thread for my take on this.
The reason is simple, the shield OEM trigger is the only thing that makes it less than a P365. With a better trigger any average Joe's marksmanship will see drastic improvement and much less of paranoia about running of rounds when placement is that matters.
Except the trigger, everything else about shield is already perfect, any smaller in size will not be as shootable, any less in weight will not be as in good balance.
Red dot? who needs it on a small gun for close quarter. All it needs to fix is the OEM trigger. and no trigger job unless for competition, apex or any after market trigger will be a liability both to safety and jury.
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And older means older, not necessarily better.
This thread had nothing to do with old vs new, or hammer vs striker, until people interjected into it.
Always seems like the folks from the semi auto section need to come into the M&P section to explain away their gun insecurity.
This thread had nothing to do with old vs new, or hammer vs striker, until people interjected into it.
Always seems like the folks from the semi auto section need to come into the M&P section to explain away their gun insecurity.
My sentiments exactly.
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I like my S&W pistols, but what you mentioned is why I'm keeping my Hellcat. It also has an accessory rail. I slightly modified my Insight XML light with upgraded LED bezel to fit the Hellcat. I like having a quick on / off light option.
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I don't know what reason you are trying to get across. The 365 just fits my hand better, shoots better, feels better than my shield. I don't know why a perfect stranger would try to tell me it's just the trigger when they don't know anything about me.
All true. That's why I and many others sold their Shields and got P365.
Most importantly: P365 holds 10+1 and 15 in the spare mag. When the Jackboyz show up, every round counts.
I just love that question even if it is a thread theft item.
The LEO in the video literally chased a suspect and then got into a gunfight with him. Then he expended all but 4 rounds because the suspect wouldn't die despite his fatal wounds (so much for the myth of the .45 ACP's manstopping capabilities). I'll guess the suspect was large and drugged up = bullet/death resistance.
Anyone here who is not an active duty LEO is NOT going to get into a chase with a bank robber or anyone else. So a 5 shot J frame is likely all any of us will ever need or a few more rounds in a compact 9mm. Sticking to S&W, I'm totally comfortable with a CS9 with 8 rounds of 9mm. Classic TDA handgun. Easy to carry, easy to shoot. And I can always carry an extra magazine if I think I'm going somewhere that justifies the additional 7 rounds.
I have some other choices but my point is that carrying more rounds adds weight and I really don't see the need for all that firepower - I'm not chasing bad guys or confronting terrorists.
The obsession for extra rounds is a fanciful need with no real basis in fact. But, as always, and with respect for all, YMMV.
You are correct. The AVERAGE is 3 rounds. There could be a lot of one shot that resolved the problem. Drug influenced armed robbers or car jackers are not only confronted by LEOs. In my own career, I interviewed 3 civilians who fired more than 3 shots.
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