Shield recall

The wife's and my 9mm Shields are OK. HAWxxxx and HBBxxxx

I hope this doesn't turn out to be a major fiasco for S&W.
 
I don't really get how the trigger participates in the drop safety function, can someone explain this? I thought the hinged trigger just prevented the trigger from being pulled and had assumed the "drop safety" was something more than that....? looking at the video, seems the worst that would happen if you had this issue would be that you would have a trigger that functioned as one solid piece, so what?
 
motomed said:
I don't really get how the trigger participates in the drop safety function, can someone explain this? I thought the hinged trigger just prevented the trigger from being pulled and had assumed the "drop safety" was something more than that....? looking at the video, seems the worst that would happen if you had this issue would be that you would have a trigger that functioned as one solid piece, so what?
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You'd have to drop it on its trigger. The firing pin block needs to be depressed by the trigger bar and that only can happen if the trigger is pulled back.
 
There have been some threads on peoples Shields losing the spring for the trigger safety. I remember reading, that they used a Bic lighter spring? I cant seem to locate the thread :(
 
yanici said:
You'd have to drop it on its trigger. The firing pin block needs to be depressed by the trigger bar and that only can happen if the trigger is pulled back.
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That's what I figured, I guess that's just not what I think of when I think of a "drop safety." I've always considered trigger safeties like this dumb anyway. The only thing this changes is that if it's working properly and dropped on the bottom half of the trigger, the "safety" disengages and it fires, and now if it is working incorrectly the same thing happens except that now it will also fire if dropped on the top centimeter or so of trigger. big deal.
 
If a member of my family or myself are standing near you should you drop your firearm it is a big deal.

The safeties are designed on these units for a reason and not just to satisfy the lawyers.

Please inspect your Shield per the direction or have performed by a competent gunsmith or factory.

To do less is just plain irresponsible.
 
I think the alert for all shields prior to 8/19 is a CYA thing by S&W. If this was a wide spread problem it would of been brought up by someone a long time ago on this forum alone.

Mine with a build date of 6/24 checks out fine!

Let us know if anyone here finds that they have an issue. If I was a betting man I'd estimate the odds are <1% of us have an issue.
 
Breaking: Shield Safety Issue

motomed said:
That's what I figured, I guess that's just not what I think of when I think of a "drop safety." I've always considered trigger safeties like this dumb anyway. The only thing this changes is that if it's working properly and dropped on the bottom half of the trigger, the "safety" disengages and it fires, and now if it is working incorrectly the same thing happens except that now it will also fire if dropped on the top centimeter or so of trigger. big deal.
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You don't understand and that's not how it works. It's the act of a hard impact that has enough inertia to cause the trigger bar to move....like you pulled the trigger (to put it simplistically). If the lower half of the trigger is not working correctly...that little tab you see behind the trigger will not be extended...if its not extended, it will not "catch" on the frame to stop the trigger bar movement when the weapon is dropped. Nothing has to touch the trigger. Understand now?
 
kodiakpb said:
You don't understand and that's not how it works. It's the act of a hard impact that has enough inertia to cause the trigger bar to move....like you pulled the trigger (to put it simplistically). If the lower half of the trigger is not working correctly...that little tab you see behind the trigger will not be extended...if its not extended, it will not "catch" on the frame to stop the trigger bar movement when the weapon is dropped. Nothing has to touch the trigger. Understand now?
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I understand fine... you don't.... ask yourself a question, which takes more force, disengaging the trigger safety or actually getting the trigger to break? when you apply pressure to the trigger, which one of those two things happens first? in other words, if a drop were to occur that gave the trigger enough inertia to break, it would also be more than enough inertia to disengage the safety. It just doesn't matter. I would argue it would be nearly impossible to create this situation either way. You could throw your gun as hard as you want and have it land just perfectly so and there just isn't enough mass to the trigger for it to overcome the trigger pull with just inertia. it's a non issue. The only situation the trigger safety feature protects against is if something like a drawstring gets caught in the trigger guard and attempts to pull the trigger while also being up against the frame.

bottom line. any situation short of direct physical pressure above the hinge that would cause the trigger to break will also cause the safety to disengage.
 
to clarify, I agree that the drop safety involves the gun not firing unless the trigger is moved regardless of what force causes it to move, I disagree that the hinged trigger has any role in preventing the trigger from moved with the exception of the drawstring issue mentioned above. In that case, saying that the hinge has anything to do with whether or not the pistol will fire when dropped just isn't accurate. Kahr's have drop safeties that work much the same as the M&P and the trigger itself is one piece with nothing fancy about it.

You are nuts if you think S&W doesn't know this. If this issue had any actual impact on safety, taking this soft safety notice approach instead of a hard recall would open them up to far more liability than just keeping their mouth shut would have.

And for those who don't believe me and who have steam shooting out of their ears over my irresponsibility, I checked as soon as I saw the notice, everything is working just fine :)
 
motomed said:
That's what I figured, I guess that's just not what I think of when I think of a "drop safety." I've always considered trigger safeties like this dumb anyway. The only thing this changes is that if it's working properly and dropped on the bottom half of the trigger, the "safety" disengages and it fires, and now if it is working incorrectly the same thing happens except that now it will also fire if dropped on the top centimeter or so of trigger. big deal.
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The safety trigger prevents inertia. If the weapon was dropped at a high velocity upon impact the sudden and abrupt deceleration could cause a transfer of forward energy into the trigger and if the angle of the impact was aligned just right a trigger not locked could move sufficient to discharge the weapon.

Inertia does not require that the trigger comes in contact when dropped.

.Russ
 
I haven't bought new guns in years. Always quality used guns.

I bought two Shields this year. One has 20 rounds through it and the white dot is now missing from the front sight. Now they're telling me my guns could be unsafe.

Previous to all this, I bought a 686 brand new form S&W as a dealer at the time. The barrel was bent and it wouldn't shoot straight.

Fortunately, I recently bought a 3913 and a 3953 DAO. Those should get me by, while these "new" and improved models get repaired...
 
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