Shield recall

If a member of my family or myself are standing near you should you drop your firearm it is a big deal.

The safeties are designed on these units for a reason and not just to satisfy the lawyers.

Please inspect your Shield per the direction or have performed by a competent gunsmith or factory.

To do less is just plain irresponsible.
 
I think the alert for all shields prior to 8/19 is a CYA thing by S&W. If this was a wide spread problem it would of been brought up by someone a long time ago on this forum alone.

Mine with a build date of 6/24 checks out fine!

Let us know if anyone here finds that they have an issue. If I was a betting man I'd estimate the odds are <1% of us have an issue.
 
Breaking: Shield Safety Issue

motomed said:
That's what I figured, I guess that's just not what I think of when I think of a "drop safety." I've always considered trigger safeties like this dumb anyway. The only thing this changes is that if it's working properly and dropped on the bottom half of the trigger, the "safety" disengages and it fires, and now if it is working incorrectly the same thing happens except that now it will also fire if dropped on the top centimeter or so of trigger. big deal.
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You don't understand and that's not how it works. It's the act of a hard impact that has enough inertia to cause the trigger bar to move....like you pulled the trigger (to put it simplistically). If the lower half of the trigger is not working correctly...that little tab you see behind the trigger will not be extended...if its not extended, it will not "catch" on the frame to stop the trigger bar movement when the weapon is dropped. Nothing has to touch the trigger. Understand now?
 
kodiakpb said:
You don't understand and that's not how it works. It's the act of a hard impact that has enough inertia to cause the trigger bar to move....like you pulled the trigger (to put it simplistically). If the lower half of the trigger is not working correctly...that little tab you see behind the trigger will not be extended...if its not extended, it will not "catch" on the frame to stop the trigger bar movement when the weapon is dropped. Nothing has to touch the trigger. Understand now?
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I understand fine... you don't.... ask yourself a question, which takes more force, disengaging the trigger safety or actually getting the trigger to break? when you apply pressure to the trigger, which one of those two things happens first? in other words, if a drop were to occur that gave the trigger enough inertia to break, it would also be more than enough inertia to disengage the safety. It just doesn't matter. I would argue it would be nearly impossible to create this situation either way. You could throw your gun as hard as you want and have it land just perfectly so and there just isn't enough mass to the trigger for it to overcome the trigger pull with just inertia. it's a non issue. The only situation the trigger safety feature protects against is if something like a drawstring gets caught in the trigger guard and attempts to pull the trigger while also being up against the frame.

bottom line. any situation short of direct physical pressure above the hinge that would cause the trigger to break will also cause the safety to disengage.
 
to clarify, I agree that the drop safety involves the gun not firing unless the trigger is moved regardless of what force causes it to move, I disagree that the hinged trigger has any role in preventing the trigger from moved with the exception of the drawstring issue mentioned above. In that case, saying that the hinge has anything to do with whether or not the pistol will fire when dropped just isn't accurate. Kahr's have drop safeties that work much the same as the M&P and the trigger itself is one piece with nothing fancy about it.

You are nuts if you think S&W doesn't know this. If this issue had any actual impact on safety, taking this soft safety notice approach instead of a hard recall would open them up to far more liability than just keeping their mouth shut would have.

And for those who don't believe me and who have steam shooting out of their ears over my irresponsibility, I checked as soon as I saw the notice, everything is working just fine :)
 
motomed said:
That's what I figured, I guess that's just not what I think of when I think of a "drop safety." I've always considered trigger safeties like this dumb anyway. The only thing this changes is that if it's working properly and dropped on the bottom half of the trigger, the "safety" disengages and it fires, and now if it is working incorrectly the same thing happens except that now it will also fire if dropped on the top centimeter or so of trigger. big deal.
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The safety trigger prevents inertia. If the weapon was dropped at a high velocity upon impact the sudden and abrupt deceleration could cause a transfer of forward energy into the trigger and if the angle of the impact was aligned just right a trigger not locked could move sufficient to discharge the weapon.

Inertia does not require that the trigger comes in contact when dropped.

.Russ
 
I haven't bought new guns in years. Always quality used guns.

I bought two Shields this year. One has 20 rounds through it and the white dot is now missing from the front sight. Now they're telling me my guns could be unsafe.

Previous to all this, I bought a 686 brand new form S&W as a dealer at the time. The barrel was bent and it wouldn't shoot straight.

Fortunately, I recently bought a 3913 and a 3953 DAO. Those should get me by, while these "new" and improved models get repaired...
 
Mine was made June 2013 and good to go. I mentioned in posts before that I was able to go through some before I found a trigger that didn't feel like total ****. Guess it paid off and/or I got lucky. Hate to have to break my record of never having had to send a gun back to S&W for repair.

Word of warning people if you don't know already... If you have installed aftermarket parts on your gun like Apex they WILL BE GONE when you get the gun back from S&W service. Put your old parts back in before sending in any gun. About the only exception would be sights and maybe a barrel (would not risk that either)
 
the hinged trigger is designed to stop the inertia of the trigger bar.
 
"Smith & Wesson has identified a condition where the trigger bar pin could damage the lower trigger..."

I've recently put the Apex kit in both our Shields. So I'm familiar with the mechanics of the trigger and how it attaches to the trigger bar. And I am assuming the trigger bar pin is what drives out the slave pin that comes with the kits.

For the life of me I cannot see how the trigger bar pin can possibly damage the lower trigger. Ever.

And both ours are fine. But the fact that I cannot understand how one can affect the other, thus cannot see if this issue is 'developing', is bugging me. Am I missing something?
 
yanici said:
You'd have to drop it on its trigger. The firing pin block needs to be depressed by the trigger bar and that only can happen if the trigger is pulled back.
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Not so. The little trigger safety is designed to prevent inertia firing if the pistol is dropped on its rear, just the same as the firing pin safety is designed to prevent inertia firing if the pistol is dropped on the muzzle. Remember, if the trigger goes to the rear by ANY means, the firing pin safety is deactivated.

See post #3 in this thread:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/329404-trigger-really-safety.html
 
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My 1/24/13 build checked out ok

I do notice as one other poster mentioned that the pin on the left side sticks out like less than a millimeter more than on the right. Truth be told if he didn't mention it I probably would not have even noticed at all


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OMG, if it's not working like it should, send it in! :rolleyes:

Sometimes people make it seem like a 1lb trigger with a fully cocked hammer/striker with no safeties is fine as long as nothing get's in the trigger guard. That's not the case with the Shield, but if something is not functioning the way it should, get it fixed for free! Who knows, maybe they'll throw in a magazine or something also.

Those tabs on any poly pistol are drop safeties that prevent the trigger from going reward if it falls on it's back, period.
 
Just checked mine, made March 2013. Seemed to work fine as designed, but I'm thinking this thread might make a good sticky.
 
No thanks, ours work perfect.

Plus its a drop safety feature. At least u know it'll still fire, even if it did suffer from this. lol

Of course if u have a tendency to drop ur weapon all the time. I would highly advise u send it back and have it fixed. :D

And once again, its a SAFETY ALERT not a RECALL. So there is a HUGE difference between these 2. Chances are less of these are affected than the mag drop issue was.
 
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Please keep this in mind..'Nuf Said..
Thank you
 
shawn mccarver said:
Not so. The little trigger safety is designed to prevent inertia firing if the pistol is dropped on its rear, just the same as the firing pin safety is designed to prevent inertia firing if the pistol is dropped on the muzzle. Remember, if the trigger goes to the rear by ANY means, the firing pin safety is deactivated.

See post #3 in this thread:

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-m-p-pistols/329404-trigger-really-safety.html
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interesting post, but I still don't buy it. The mass of the trigger bar and trigger and any other part involved that would in theory keep moving towards the rear once the pistol frame and slide stopped upon impact with the ground is so small that it would require a force many many times that of gravity to overcome the resistance that we know of as trigger pull weight. Given a 5 pound trigger pull and assuming the total mass of the trigger bar and moving parts is 100 grams, it would take an instantaneous force roughly 22 times that of gravity to offset the trigger pull weight. The trigger and trigger bar don't weight that much, this still ignores that the same force would actually be acting on all other internal parts and would likely increase trigger pull (think large force applied perpendicular to direction of travel of striker block making it more difficult to move it out of the way), and the applied force wouldn't be instantaneous but would be spread out over the time it takes for the trigger and bar to travel (think catching an egg vs. letting it hit your stationary hand. the egg has the same inertia but the force applied to it and the results are not the same). The time factor alone would increase the actual force needed beyond the 22g's by a great deal. It's too far fetched, the physics just don't back it up that this is even possible.
 
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