Shooting at Conn. Elementary School
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StatesRightist
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Here's another thought, you want to stop this ****?
Stop making these *** heroes. Stop posting their pictures, their names or anything about them or the event. These sickos think their actions will gain them fame, immortality and a place in history.....so far they are right. Stop it, instead pass a law and make it well known on the news that anyone who does this has any record of their existence stripped from public records/acknowledgement and their dead bodies will be fed to pigs.
I'll bet this **** drops 90% of the way off.
Stop making these *** heroes. Stop posting their pictures, their names or anything about them or the event. These sickos think their actions will gain them fame, immortality and a place in history.....so far they are right. Stop it, instead pass a law and make it well known on the news that anyone who does this has any record of their existence stripped from public records/acknowledgement and their dead bodies will be fed to pigs.
I'll bet this **** drops 90% of the way off.
dogboy99
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The Horror story from Connecticut.
I feel & pray for the victims ,families, & those children that survived this insane act. I do get the feeling that this will be used as a platform for gun control laws that only feed a political agenda. How sad is that? I think this quote from Mike Dowd sums up the real problem:
Here's what we should have learned by now: You do not mend broken people by trying to close off their access to guns, because they will get them online or use homemade bombs instead, and you do not deter other broken people by killing the ones who crack. If you were to ask Jared Loughner or James Holmes about Timothy McVeigh, your answer would probably be a blank stare.
Gun control is good for a lot of things. It will keep kids from killing themselves with their dads' unsecured guns. It will make it harder for drug dealers to kill each other, and it will save lives in ordinary robberies. It might even prevent wildfires in the west. But it will not stop the mentally ill from reaping carnage because the proximate cause of their carnage is disease, not hardware.
If you say that a ten-round clip would have limited the damage in Aurora, and you might be right. But you also might be wrong, because Holmes might have walked in instead with a bomb. Either way, here we are arguing about how to limit the damage broken people do rather than talking about how to mend broken people.
Of course nobody needs an AK-47 or a twenty-round clip, and the Supreme Court ruling making it more difficult for communities to restrict access to guns was deeply unsound. But before we get sidetracked for the umpteenth time talking about limiting access to certain calibers, or muzzle velocities, or clip size, we should perhaps start talking about how we can identify broken people—not just when they walk into a gun store to purchase a weapon (although certainly there as well), but also when they apply to college, or for a driver's license, or do anything else that might call them to the attention of people who are trained to look.
Prisons, homeless shelters, and highway underpasses are teeming with mentally ill human beings because our society thinks harsh punishment will solve most of the problem, and restrictions to the implements of crime will solve the rest. Wrong and wrong again. Nobody is responsible for the unspeakable tragedy James Holmes unleashed besides James Holmes. But all of us share responsibility for ignoring the James Holmeses of our world until they force us to learn their infamous names.
I feel & pray for the victims ,families, & those children that survived this insane act. I do get the feeling that this will be used as a platform for gun control laws that only feed a political agenda. How sad is that? I think this quote from Mike Dowd sums up the real problem:
Here's what we should have learned by now: You do not mend broken people by trying to close off their access to guns, because they will get them online or use homemade bombs instead, and you do not deter other broken people by killing the ones who crack. If you were to ask Jared Loughner or James Holmes about Timothy McVeigh, your answer would probably be a blank stare.
Gun control is good for a lot of things. It will keep kids from killing themselves with their dads' unsecured guns. It will make it harder for drug dealers to kill each other, and it will save lives in ordinary robberies. It might even prevent wildfires in the west. But it will not stop the mentally ill from reaping carnage because the proximate cause of their carnage is disease, not hardware.
If you say that a ten-round clip would have limited the damage in Aurora, and you might be right. But you also might be wrong, because Holmes might have walked in instead with a bomb. Either way, here we are arguing about how to limit the damage broken people do rather than talking about how to mend broken people.
Of course nobody needs an AK-47 or a twenty-round clip, and the Supreme Court ruling making it more difficult for communities to restrict access to guns was deeply unsound. But before we get sidetracked for the umpteenth time talking about limiting access to certain calibers, or muzzle velocities, or clip size, we should perhaps start talking about how we can identify broken people—not just when they walk into a gun store to purchase a weapon (although certainly there as well), but also when they apply to college, or for a driver's license, or do anything else that might call them to the attention of people who are trained to look.
Prisons, homeless shelters, and highway underpasses are teeming with mentally ill human beings because our society thinks harsh punishment will solve most of the problem, and restrictions to the implements of crime will solve the rest. Wrong and wrong again. Nobody is responsible for the unspeakable tragedy James Holmes unleashed besides James Holmes. But all of us share responsibility for ignoring the James Holmeses of our world until they force us to learn their infamous names.
Moonman
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The firearms were purchased by and belonged to the MOTHER,
per the investigation.
per the investigation.
cmort666
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I was seeing that in college in the '70s. They were spoiled kids of oil executives and other wealthy individuals. They'd been given an unlimited supply of THINGS and absolutely NO instruction on how to be a decent, civilized human being. The rest of the world existed to cater to their whims. They were every bit as much thugs as anybody I ever met on the south side of Chicago. The only difference was that daddy could buy them out of their self-inflicted messes, up to and including DUI and criminally negligent homicide.
I can't believe that they (the ones who didn't OD or get shot) raised their own kids any better.
Sip's point is well made. Yesterday I went to the "big city" (15,000) to go to Wal-Mart with the daughter in law and grandson. Got to remembering the Oregon mall shooter...and took the Sigma and a spare mag in lieu of the faithful little 442.
In awful times like these convenience may not be the main consideration anymore.
I once read something that put some perspective on things like this: the absolute worst thing in the world is the death of a child; the second worst is the loss of a love; third, my own death.
I believe it.
In awful times like these convenience may not be the main consideration anymore.
I once read something that put some perspective on things like this: the absolute worst thing in the world is the death of a child; the second worst is the loss of a love; third, my own death.
I believe it.
JJEH
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Horrible tragedy...
My first post was immediately after hearing of this horrible event. I wish to add my prayer for the victims, their families, and all affected by this unspeakable evil act.
For the children who were murdered, may God send angels to guide their souls to that place where innocents may dwell in Heaven.
For the children who were murdered, may God send angels to guide their souls to that place where innocents may dwell in Heaven.
Buttugly072
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I wonder how many anti gunners are almost happy just so they can try to prove their point. More people probably die from DUI related accidents. Well, DUI , there is a good cause to get behind. All the anti drug causes do about as good as a anti gun policy would.
Gl and have fun
Gl and have fun
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Steve in Vermont
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Given the recent shootings, sooner or later our "gun laws" are going to change. These changes may not make any difference, but that will not be the point. The "point" will be that the government isn't just standing there, it's "doing something". Anything. We might not agree, nor like the consequences, but we will have to live with them. It's only a matter of time.
cmort666
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This didn't start happening until the publicity machine could plaster their names and faces within hours. In the 19th century, if somebody in Maine shot twenty people, somebody in Nebraska might not hear about it for months, if EVER.
Now, somebody in Florida can kill a bunch of people and a like minded degenerate in Alaska can watch the carnage LIVE.
There's a difference between technological capability and actual implementation. Commercial media parade these subhumans on the public stage like rock stars for two reasons:
- Money - "If it bleeds, it leads." They don't care whether they're encouraging others to emulate these beasts. They care about ratings. Don't believe the LIES about the "public interest". The COMMERCIAL media will wade up to their necks in the blood of toddlers for an extra ratings point.
- Ideology - They're anti-gun and anti-self-defense. They're FAR more sympathetic to somebody who shoots twenty children than they would EVER be to somebody who shot that murderer with a privately owned firearm. They couldn't care less whether they encourage more shootings, if they think it'll lead to more repressive gun controls.
kendak
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kids today don't go hunting like some of us did back in the 60's they sit around all day playing these insane "war" games on TV...it is reported by Fox that the shooter was an avid fan of these crazy unreal zombie games....my prayers go out to the families...remember GOD is still in charge !
Yep, and back then (prior to the GCA of 1968) anyone could order up a variety of military arms through the US mail, yet we had almost no mass murder. What has changed??? Could it be that we have abandoned God and the ideals we were founded on?
All of these things are a sign of the times. The world is buzzing about it. They know something is very wrong, but don't know the Truth. The truth is, God's Son is coming back...soon. The question is, are we squared away with Him and ready for His return?
I cannot imagine the pain these families are going through ... the nightmares that these kids will have for weeks to come ... the scars left on lives that are so innocent. My prayers go out to this community and our country.
curt solomon sr.
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If we walked thru this school how many times would we see the word GOD Or the ten commandments posted anywhere.I'll bet they didn't even say the pledge to the flag in the school today.So what do we expect from our children? Tha same goes for our homes that's where it should all start,maybe a little more sundy school or Mass class Or whatever your church is we would have less of this kind of things.
dacoontz
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This is tragic for many reasons. I can't imagine being one of the parents who had received the call to get come pick up their child because there was a shooting. I can't even begin to understand how it would feel to then be told that your child was killed in this senseless act. I'm sure there are Republicans, Democrats, Christians, Jews, and maybe even an Atheist that are feeling the same pain tonight. I share the same feelings as the President of our country as well as many of you who mourn as fathers. Events like this change our state of being and threaten our security regardless where we live or what we believe.
There may be some give and take in the months to come which may include a bit of tolerance to those on the other side of the aisle. You may have to reconsider your position on your gun ownership in order to seek the greater good. I am willing to bend a bit as long as we can find a solution that will help return that feeling of safety that I desire for my children. Many have spoken of a selfish, youthful generation, but lets not be too quick to judge until we have removed the beam from our own eyes.
This is a great country that allows us many freedoms but we as a society must begin to take more responsibility for the illness that beseeches these young men. I believe in the human spirit and I don't believe any person is born with a mind to kill others. What are we doing to prevent our children from becoming monsters that have zero ability to reason?
As some have said, I will hug my children extra tight tonight and re-evaluate what things are most important to me. I will think about what role I am playing in supporting the youth of this country and helping them to stay healthy mentally. What example am I setting? This for me will be a time to mourn and to reflect.
There may be some give and take in the months to come which may include a bit of tolerance to those on the other side of the aisle. You may have to reconsider your position on your gun ownership in order to seek the greater good. I am willing to bend a bit as long as we can find a solution that will help return that feeling of safety that I desire for my children. Many have spoken of a selfish, youthful generation, but lets not be too quick to judge until we have removed the beam from our own eyes.
This is a great country that allows us many freedoms but we as a society must begin to take more responsibility for the illness that beseeches these young men. I believe in the human spirit and I don't believe any person is born with a mind to kill others. What are we doing to prevent our children from becoming monsters that have zero ability to reason?
As some have said, I will hug my children extra tight tonight and re-evaluate what things are most important to me. I will think about what role I am playing in supporting the youth of this country and helping them to stay healthy mentally. What example am I setting? This for me will be a time to mourn and to reflect.
Biginge
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Boys,
I have read all the post. Some have brought a tear and some are just plain distainful I have thought about what to say here and probably nothing would have been the option best selected by this writer. However, I cannot, not express my sorrow at such a senseless tradgedy.
I do not think I want to criticize the media, the politicians, NRA, sticter, or less strict gun laws. I can only think of the parents, families, leo's, EMT's, children and all that are touched by this.
If I were with someone closely tied to this I would not be advocating anything, other than prayers for their healing and comfort. I feel so woefully inadequate right now, as I have most of the day. I cannot begin to fathom the loss and sorrow they must be experiencing right now and probably for the rest of their lives. There is no way I can begin to comprehend their loss.
Don't get me wrong but I feel that in just a small way I am responsible for this happening. And I feel that in the same small way, all of us are to blame. Yes, you and me--all of us are, in part, a part of the problem and should share the blame for letting our country and its values slip to the level it is currently exhibiting. Perhaps we could have, should have done something differently.
I don't care about Smith and Wessons today. Probably won't for some time to come. I care about these human beings that are suffering intolerably right now. I don't care about media, gun laws, or the such. I care about the lives of these children that will never know ripeness, nor fulfilled lives, or family, or children, or grandchildren. Or wives, or a new puppy (ever again). I care about you and me and I feel really bad, almost sick.
God gives us these emotions so that we may appreciate the better ones. I have to believe he has a tear in His eye right now. I know I do. And, I hope you do too.
Tonight Biginge is not so big, the Worlds Tallest Midget is stooped greatly. In fact I am going to my knees shortly and I hope you will join me.
Dear God, help us, please.
I have read all the post. Some have brought a tear and some are just plain distainful I have thought about what to say here and probably nothing would have been the option best selected by this writer. However, I cannot, not express my sorrow at such a senseless tradgedy.
I do not think I want to criticize the media, the politicians, NRA, sticter, or less strict gun laws. I can only think of the parents, families, leo's, EMT's, children and all that are touched by this.
If I were with someone closely tied to this I would not be advocating anything, other than prayers for their healing and comfort. I feel so woefully inadequate right now, as I have most of the day. I cannot begin to fathom the loss and sorrow they must be experiencing right now and probably for the rest of their lives. There is no way I can begin to comprehend their loss.
Don't get me wrong but I feel that in just a small way I am responsible for this happening. And I feel that in the same small way, all of us are to blame. Yes, you and me--all of us are, in part, a part of the problem and should share the blame for letting our country and its values slip to the level it is currently exhibiting. Perhaps we could have, should have done something differently.
I don't care about Smith and Wessons today. Probably won't for some time to come. I care about these human beings that are suffering intolerably right now. I don't care about media, gun laws, or the such. I care about the lives of these children that will never know ripeness, nor fulfilled lives, or family, or children, or grandchildren. Or wives, or a new puppy (ever again). I care about you and me and I feel really bad, almost sick.
God gives us these emotions so that we may appreciate the better ones. I have to believe he has a tear in His eye right now. I know I do. And, I hope you do too.
Tonight Biginge is not so big, the Worlds Tallest Midget is stooped greatly. In fact I am going to my knees shortly and I hope you will join me.
Dear God, help us, please.
PeeShooter
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This event is so hard to imagine...so, so sad; such young children, not that any age is OK.
The minority of America has forced God out of our society and this is the harvest. America, even at these young ages are morally bankrupt and recognize no value to life; it's a big problem to fix. One report sarcastically said to allow young children to carry weapons but perhaps like pilots are armed, maybe teachers should be too.
We're still batting a thousand though; every mass murder is in a No Gun Zone...so hows that working? They just don't get it, educated people don't get it.
I cant imagine the pain and anger of the victim families; may God give them comfort beyond our understanding.
The minority of America has forced God out of our society and this is the harvest. America, even at these young ages are morally bankrupt and recognize no value to life; it's a big problem to fix. One report sarcastically said to allow young children to carry weapons but perhaps like pilots are armed, maybe teachers should be too.
We're still batting a thousand though; every mass murder is in a No Gun Zone...so hows that working? They just don't get it, educated people don't get it.
I cant imagine the pain and anger of the victim families; may God give them comfort beyond our understanding.
Makes two of us friend. I'm so mad all I can think of is profanity and the need to hurt somebody. But the scumbag is already dead.
Now more than ever "An Armed Society Is A Polite Society".
StatesRightist
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"There may be some give and take in the months to come which may include a bit of tolerance to those on the other side of the aisle. You may have to reconsider your position on your gun ownership in order to seek the greater good."
Wrong. I have and will not have any desire to give up my God given and Constitutionally guaranteed rights for some wrong headed, ineffective measure that "gives you a warm tingly feeling up your leg" Chris Matthews.
Phrase it anyway you want, but your it's not their fought, it must be somebody else's fought approach does not fly with me. Your post smacks of the philosophy that is breeding these type of events.
It's really easy to blame the gun, when what we need to do is assess what's changed in this Country, what Philosophical and Religious changes have occurred? The PC school of thought can't handle that type of illumination, the answer is obvious. So it has to focus on another target, an inanimate object. Brilliant, just brilliant.
Wrong. I have and will not have any desire to give up my God given and Constitutionally guaranteed rights for some wrong headed, ineffective measure that "gives you a warm tingly feeling up your leg" Chris Matthews.
Phrase it anyway you want, but your it's not their fought, it must be somebody else's fought approach does not fly with me. Your post smacks of the philosophy that is breeding these type of events.
It's really easy to blame the gun, when what we need to do is assess what's changed in this Country, what Philosophical and Religious changes have occurred? The PC school of thought can't handle that type of illumination, the answer is obvious. So it has to focus on another target, an inanimate object. Brilliant, just brilliant.
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This is so very sad and it is all so unbelievable at this moment that a person can be so filled with hate. I pray for all the victims and their families. May God be with them and give them peace.
I have seen it coming for a long time and America is in decline. I live near Detroit and we try very hard to stay out of the city and no longer go out at night anymore even were we live. Detroit has become a no mans land. We live in the burbs and are getting ready to move far away from the metro area.
There is plenty of evil to go around and all the good people suffer in one way or another.
I have seen it coming for a long time and America is in decline. I live near Detroit and we try very hard to stay out of the city and no longer go out at night anymore even were we live. Detroit has become a no mans land. We live in the burbs and are getting ready to move far away from the metro area.
There is plenty of evil to go around and all the good people suffer in one way or another.
This ladies and gentlemen will be the last word in this thread.. it perfectly expresses what needs to be said..
This thread has had way too many drifts.. Offering prayers and condolences are appropriate.. and encouraged if someone would like to open a thread for that please do.
But I will not tolerate this tragedy being turned into a political agenda, or social and moral decay debate, no matter where you stand..
Right Now.. Right Here is NOT the place for it..
Thank you for your understanding..
Sal
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so very sad my heart goes out to the families, people involved and the police officers that had to deal with this terrible ordeal. The media is all over it with gun control to solve the problem (USA&Canada) when in fact the best control is to lock the media out in serious situations thus shutting off the fuel that drives the mentality ill too-- I can do better.
so very sad my heart goes out to the families, people involved and the police officers that had to deal with this terrible ordeal. The media is all over it with gun control to solve the problem (USA&Canada) when in fact the best control is to lock the media out in serious situations thus shutting off the fuel that drives the mentality ill too-- I can do better.
diamonback68
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They want more laws on the books that will solve nothing. There's already a law, it's:
"THOU SHALT NOT KILL"
"THOU SHALT NOT KILL"
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