Shot the new 2.0 today

[labloverva]

About 60 rounds.
Was shooting low and left, as I usually do.

Does anyone know the hold point ? I was aiming at the center X
at 3 yards and the shots were printing about 7 o'clock in the 10 ring.

Is this a center mass hold or a 6 o'clock hold??

 

[RobzGuns]

Cover the X with the front dot.
Shooting Low/Left is **USUALLY** Shooter related and not Hardware related (with right-handed shooters).

 

[labloverva]

In my case, it definitely is the shooter problem.

 

[cohiba66]

Went yesterday and same thing. For me, its easy to get "lost" after the first few rounds from a full magazine (15 in my 2.0 4") 9mm. I tend to either loose concentration, get fatigued and sure enough, ,my strings go from center to low left all the time.

One thing I did notice is my shooting gets worse if I start with .40's, .45 then go to 9mm. Anyone else? I usually start that way when I go to the range, dunno why. If I go say with just 9mm, im usually pretty consistent, decent groups throughout a session of 200 rounds. I know this, need to get a loader for my 2.0, my magazines are really hard to load from round 3 to 15. Some of the worse ive ever had.

 

[gwmac]

I had that tiredness issue early on. My solution was to stop taking more than one gun per session. When I start have fatigue issues I quit.

 

[jnichols2]

In my case, it definitely is the shooter problem.

1. Get rid of the "Discouraged Shooter" emoji.
2. Concentrate on the basics: grip, sight, & trigger control.
3. We all get better with practice.
4. Then switch to this emoji.

 

[Real Old Navy]

1. Get rid of the "Discouraged Shooter" emoji.

4. Then switch to this emoji.

Quick...Someone shoot the emoji...I'm out of ammo. I hate emoji's!

 

[labloverva]

Took it out again today and set up a target at 4 yards. Then some sandbags to steady the gun. Aimed at the x and chewed it up, which confirms the gun shoots to the correct spot.
Which means, as I knew it would, that my low left shots yesterday were the operators fault! Imagine that!

 

[jnichols2]

Low and left is usually from anticipating the bang, recoil, or both.
It makes you jerk the trigger at the last instant.

A little practice, and concentrating on a slow, smooth pull usually helps.
Some folks may need a little expert coaching, but that's OK too.
Soon you will get the desired results, and your smile emoji.

 

[Goldstar225]

I learned many years ago that it's not the quantity of rounds fired that improve marksmanship, it's the quality of shots fired. After so many shots (varies by person) your concentration slips and bad habits start to form.

I recommend getting some distinct dummy rounds and randomly mixing a few into each magazine. Seeing that muzzle dip as you attempt to fire a shot really shows you what you're doing.

 

[noro]

You verified that the pistol shoots to aim. Now fire a few shots
offhand.d and see where they land. Now if it still shoots left and
low, then compensate for your shooting ability. Aim right and high and see what happens. With fixed sights, the best thing
is to compensate.

 

[labloverva]

I have been known to drift the rear sight to the right on my pistols. But now is too soon to do that. I do like the bullet to strik where I am aiming.
But I know I have a problem with being steady.

 

[RobzGuns]

Low and left is usually from anticipating the bang, recoil, or both.
It makes you jerk the trigger at the last instant.

Yes, Shooting Low is usually from anticipation, but Shooting Left (with right-handed shooters) is usually from not having found the trigger finger 'sweet spot' yet, to achieve a straight rearward press.

That sweet spot is not the same for everyone, due to everyone's hands being different sizes. For some, using the center of the pad (of the trigger finger) works. For others, placement more toward the finger tip, or more towards the first knuckle joint is what works.

 

[CB3]

You verified that the pistol shoots to aim. Now fire a few shots
offhand.d and see where they land. Now if it still shoots left and
low, then compensate for your shooting ability. Aim right and high and see what happens. With fixed sights, the best thing
is to compensate.

Worst advice ever.

Fix your grip; concentrate on pressing the trigger straight to the rear in a quick, smooth action without disturbing your sights (200 dry fires before going back to the range).

Control recoil through a strong grip, then you will be less likely to anticipate recoil and jerk low left.

Dry fire until you can press the trigger and not disturb the sights. Then go to the range and fire one shot exactly the same way as your dry fire. If it's not the shot you intended, stop. Go home and dry fire more. If it's a good shot, continue, one shot at a time, duplicating dry fire. Control recoil, don't let it control you.

Only fire live at the range perfect simulated dry fire shots until you have ingrained proper technique. If you continue shooting poorly, you ingrain substandard performance. Once you have recognized and corrected your weaknesses (it's not the gun), analyze your live fire. You should be able to call each shot where it landed before seeing the hole on the paper. Making a poor shot but knowing what you did wrong will produce better consistency. No one shoots perfectly all the time, but knowing what you need to do to improve is what will drive progress toward more consistent, accurate shooting.

Do NOT adjust your aim off the center of the target to correct for your shooting errors. Geeeesh.

 

[Farmer17]

200 rounds is a LOT in a powerful light weight hand gun for an average shooter. I had a Kel Tec PF 9m/m that kicked like a mule and my hand starting getting numb after only 3 magazines my accuracy started dropping and so did my enjoyment. I usually shoot my 9m/m High Power a little, then switch to a Ruger 22 rimfire, then some .45 auto, then some more .22s, then back to the 9m/m or .38 and taking my time and relaxing between guns and sometimes chatting with other shooters. If I'm in big a hurry, I usually won't go shooting I want to take my time and concentrate on what I'm doing.

 

[Rastoff]

Is this a center mass hold or a 6 o'clock hold??

All handguns that are designed for defensive purposes use the center hold. Only target guns use the 6 o'clock hold.

This is the proper sight picture for all M&P guns:

The dots are only to help acquire the sights quicker. Line up the top of the front sight with the top of the rear and have equal daylight on either side of the front sight.

If anyone still thinks the dots are for aiming, look closer at the dots. You'll see that they are physically the same size. This means that when you sight down the slide, the front dot will appear smaller than the rear. Because they appear different in size, how should they be lined up? The answer is, they are not an aiming device. They are only to help acquire the sights quicker.

 

[labloverva]

Yes, Shooting Low is usually from anticipation, but Shooting Left (with right-handed shooters) is usually from not having found the trigger finger 'sweet spot' yet, to achieve a straight rearward press.

That sweet spot is not the same for everyone, due to everyone's hands being different sizes. For some, using the center of the pad (of the trigger finger) works. For others, placement more toward the finger tip, or more towards the first knuckle joint is what works.

I have often wondered about this.I need to set some targets and shoot with each finger position, as you mention.

My next planned test is to shoot 124 vs 147 round nose range ammo to see if there is a difference in where they strike.

 

[spirit4earth]

As for sights (and old eyes), what about painting the front sight on a semi-auto? Is there a reason not to? I can't afford to switch out the stock sights.

 

[Dan Carey]

Low & Left is a common problem. I do it all the time. It's not the gun, it's me! I tense up with my left hand when I'm tired and I can immediately see it on the target. Practice, practice, practice...

It can also be finger position on the trigger.

 

[FloridaS&W]

Low and left, shooting right handed? Yep, been there done that.
If you really wanna get your head around this, try shooting the exact same gun and distance with your left hand and watch your groups - it will blow your mind how accurate you can get, have some fun with it.