Should very large handgun magazines be heavily regulated

[biku324]

Of course - there's no argument that such mags are not legal (in most places). The OP asked (basically) if they should be.

 

[Ματθιας]

Well, I'm confused - what is the point?

In the four agencies in which I've worked, magazines for semi-auto pistols were limited to the weapon's manufacturer's magazines, and none of those were more than 18 rounds. For long guns, the largest imagazines were 30 rounds for AR-15/M4 rifles; our Tact Team had MP5s in the 80s/90s that came with 32 round mags. Once weapons, mags, and ammo are issued, they are the officer's responsibility to keep available and secured.

Here's the point, - If there's a law, these laws should apply to EVERYBODY, no exceptions. Even if you're LE and off duty, no possession exemption - those banned AR/M4s/MP5s and magazines stay at a secure site NOT in the LE possession. Fair is fair.

What specifically is the lawful purpose for LE or non-LE for 40-round, 50-round, or other magazine? Warrant service? Home defenser? Self-defense?

Because it is lawful for me to own them. LE is going to get whatever cap magazine they want because they're exempt.

Thugs and thuglets love them because they see them on video media and can shoot lots of rounds without having any need to know how to reload or to fire accurately.

Does that mean because bad people have them NO ONE other than LE and other exempt folks, should have them? If you think that's the case, just say so.

BTW, I'm not a criminal, but if I wanted to get illegal weapons, I could get them as easily as I could get illegal drugs - especially in ABQ. No law is going to stop that.

 

[9mmPatriot]

As I stated previously......NO!

 

[Greyman50]

Forgive me but…Most LEO's can not shoot well enough to be on any pistol team. Seems this " discussion" is open to much so why are These LEO's allowed firearms in our society? Because they graduated from LEO school? By chance the ownership, possession and use of firearms should be " restricted" to those that are proficient with them? This makes as much sense as the OP post……….

 

[biku324]

Here's the point, - If there's a law, these laws should apply to EVERYBODY, no exceptions. Even if you're LE and off duty, no possession exemption - those banned AR/M4s/MP5s and magazines stay at a secure site NOT in the LE possession. Fair is fair.


Because it is lawful for me to own them. LE is going to get whatever cap magazine they want because they're exempt.

Does that mean because bad people have them NO ONE other than LE and other exempt folks, should have them? If you think that's the case, just say so.

BTW, I'm not a criminal, but if I wanted to get illegal weapons, I could get them as easily as I could get illegal drugs - especially in ABQ. No law is going to stop that.

So your argument is what? I'm not aware of any LE agency that authorizes magazines larger than 30 rounds for AR/M4 platforms or 18 rounds for primary sidearms. This is moot as an issue.

And this whole issue is not one I care about deeply - if asked to vote on banning magazines over 30 for long guns and 18 for pistols, I'd vote to ban if (it was convenient to actually vote). SCOTUS has long ruled that the 2nd A has limitations, so I'm sure such a ban would be upheld. If it never comes up, no big deal to me - in the broad view, there are lots and lots of more important issues in life.

I'm sure you could get illegal weapons easily so long as you're willing to deal with consequences.

One of the issues with which the USG (specifically, the DHS attaché) deals regularly in the Philippines is illegal smuggling of Glock selector switches to convert them from semi- to full-auto. During controlled delivery, it was discovered that the same illicit dealers selling these selectors were nearly all also selling 33 round Glock mags. Here's the Philippine side:
Philippines Report Police arrest 2 suspects for illegal sale of gun accessories - Philippines Report Glock marked Full Auto Switch Selector for your Glock Pistol FOR SALE from Manila Metropolitan Area Para aque @ Adpost.com Classifieds > Philippines > #4429 Glock marked Full Auto Switch Selector for your Glock Pistol FOR SALE from Manila Metropolita

And the US side:
MSN

They are not being smuggled and purchased for lawful purposes.

 

[S42N8]

Well, I'm confused - what is the point?...

What specifically is the lawful purpose for LE or non-LE for 40-round, 50-round, or other magazines? Warrant service? Home defenser? Self-defense? Thugs and thuglets love them because they see them on video media and can shoot lots of rounds without having any need to know how to reload or to fire accurately.

The point is that purchasing and possessing lawful items of commerce is legal. Absent violation of law, the "why" is neither my, yours, or anyone else's business. Purpose is irrelevant, except to those who would infringe on the right to own property.

And to be clear, characterizing ownership of hi-cap mags as loved by "thugs and thuglets" casts unneeded aspersions. I'm sure you didn't mean to imply any lawful citizen who happens to own a Luger snail drum, or a Thompson drum, is a thug.

 

[biku324]

The point is that purchasing and possessing lawful items of commerce is legal. Absent violation of law, the "why" is neither my, yours, or anyone else's business. Purpose is irrelevant, except to those who would infringe on the right to own property.

And to be clear, characterizing ownership of hi-cap mags as loved by "thugs and thuglets" casts unneeded aspersions. I'm sure you didn't mean to imply any lawful citizen who happens to own a Luger snail drum, or a Thompson drum, is a thug.

I was asking the question of purpose - what does one do with 33 round Glock magazines, 100 round SKS drums, 40/50 round magazines for anything, that can't be done with factory standard mags? There isn't a question of legality (except in jurisdictions that limit these already).

"Thugs' and 'thuglets' refers specifically to adult and juvenile street gang members engaged in varying types of criminal behavior, from burglary, to muling drugs, to petty extortion, human trafficking, etc. These are the nice folks with whom I've had the most contact who have had extended capacity mags, bump stocks, or illegally modified firearms in their possession.

Is that helpfuil?

 

[Ματθιας]

So your argument is what? I'm not aware of any LE agency that authorizes magazines larger than 30 rounds for AR/M4 platforms or 18 rounds for primary sidearms. This is moot as an issue.

And this whole issue is not one I care about deeply - if asked to vote on banning magazines over 30 for long guns and 18 for pistols, I'd vote to ban if (it was convenient to actually vote). SCOTUS has long ruled that the 2nd A has limitations, so I'm sure such a ban would be upheld. If it never comes up, no big deal to me - in the broad view, there are lots and lots of more important issues in life.

What if I tape two legal 30rounders together?


Again, it's not about capacity. it's about equal application of the law. If these hi cap mags are illegal for the regular folks to own/possess, then it should apply to EVERYONE - even LE off the clock. That's the point. With respect, I don't know how I could be clearer.

I think the reason it's not a big deal to you is because, as retired LE, you know that you'd, likely, be exempt.

It's not a big deal to me either as I wouldn't comply with such a ban.

I'm sure you could get illegal weapons easily so long as you're willing to deal with consequences.

What consequences? In New Mexico, the justice system is a joke -they can't/won't/don't deal with craziness they have now! Or even better they could claim to be a member of a certain organization that dresses in black and that would almost guarantee that they'd walk.

One of the issues with which the USG (specifically, the DHS attaché) deals regularly in the Philippines is illegal smuggling of Glock selector switches to convert them from semi- to full-auto. During controlled delivery, it was discovered that the same illicit dealers selling these selectors were nearly all also selling 33 round Glock mags. Here's the Philippine side:
Philippines Report Police arrest 2 suspects for illegal sale of gun accessories - Philippines Report Glock marked Full Auto Switch Selector for your Glock Pistol FOR SALE from Manila Metropolitan Area Para aque @ Adpost.com Classifieds > Philippines > #4429 Glock marked Full Auto Switch Selector for your Glock Pistol FOR SALE from Manila Metropolita

And the US side:
MSN

They are not being smuggled and purchased for lawful purposes.

That's my other point.

 

[biku324]

Sigh. One more time, no agency of which I am aware authorizes magazines of more than the factory-capacity mags I've mentioned. Those are not the topic of this thread.

I don't share your perception of the justice system - no big deal.

 

[Ματθιας]

I was asking the question of purpose - what does one do with 33 round Glock magazines, 100 round SKS drums, 40/50 round magazines for anything, that can't be done with factory standard mags? There isn't a question of legality (except in jurisdictions that limit these already).

. Because we can own them! Because they're FUN!!! What's wrong with that?

 

[biku324]

Thank you for an honest answer!

 

[Ματθιας]

Sigh. One more time, no agency of which I am aware authorizes magazines of more than the factory-capacity mags I've mentioned. Those are not the topic of this thread.

I don't share your perception of the justice system - no big deal.

ugg!!!

Let's say there's legislation banning magazines over 10 rounds. I'm saying the legislation should apply to to EVERYONE including LE when off duty, and retired LE, from possessing mags over 10 rounds with no exemptions.

My perception of the justice system is based on crime stats, what I'm seeing in my city, ABQ, - catch and release and little to no consequences and the philosophies of people in power.

Anyway, have a good night!

 

[ladder13]

Apparently so. I am stunned to find folks with such a mindset here.

Not me, not one bit.

 

[S42N8]

I was asking the question of purpose - what does one do with 33 round Glock magazines, 100 round SKS drums, 40/50 round magazines for anything, that can't be done with factory standard mags? There isn't a question of legality (except in jurisdictions that limit these already).

"Thugs' and 'thuglets' refers specifically to adult and juvenile street gang members engaged in varying types of criminal behavior, from burglary, to muling drugs, to petty extortion, human trafficking, etc. These are the nice folks with whom I've had the most contact who have had extended capacity mags, bump stocks, or illegally modified firearms in their possession.

Is that helpfuil?

Helpful? No. As stated, purpose is not relevant: if it's legal to own, property ownership is a right under the Constitution, be it sports cars, mansions, or magazines - all of which are not needed, but legal nonetheless. I suspect we're parting ways here.

As for your experience, thank you for your service. Bump stocks and illegal firearms were not a part of the discussion; I expect I have less experience than yours on high-capacity magazines. That said, we do ourselves a disservice in negatively characterizing legal possession, and give the anti-Second Amendment advocates tacit approval for further eroding the rights of the law-abiding citizen.

 

[JDBoardman]

NO. Just NO! (where is Paul Kersey when we need him?)

 

[Smoke]

I can't believe many here would be in favor of such a thing.

Unfortunately, I think you're wrong.

 

[lrrifleman]

Unfortunately, I am finding that this thread is extremely disturbing. We can be pretty certain that an anti or two is being entertained by our division and probably taking notes. Looking at the diversity of positions and focus, why do the antis need to target magazines, why not just outlaw the handguns that accept magazines?

For all we know, the antis may skip the magazines, then ban the semi-autos, then ban speed loaders, then attempt to regulate cylinder capacity!

What is being conveniently missed, is that the perpetrator had a history of unaddressed mental illness. It is sad that society can excuse mental illness and allow it to flourish unchecked, but can lay blame upon a tool and conveniently outlaw it while people are left to languish with mental illness.

The question that we should address, is do our elected representatives really want to stem crime?

I will patiently await my suspension.

 

[steelslaver]

I was asking the question of purpose - what does one do with 33 round Glock magazines, 100 round SKS drums, 40/50 round magazines for anything, that can't be done with factory standard mags? There isn't a question of legality (except in jurisdictions that limit these already).

"Thugs' and 'thuglets' refers specifically to adult and juvenile street gang members engaged in varying types of criminal behavior, from burglary, to muling drugs, to petty extortion, human trafficking, etc. These are the nice folks with whom I've had the most contact who have had extended capacity mags, bump stocks, or illegally modified firearms in their possession.

Is that helpfuil?

Just one question. In your experience, if large capacity magazines were illegal, would these "nice" people obey that law?

I bet they would ignore it just like all the rest of them. I also bet that most of these "nice" people you have ran into with large capacity mags have already had experiences with the criminal justice system and are prohibited from even possessing a single shot, yet they have modified guns with large capacity mags.
HMMMM
They will no more obey a large capacity ban than any other law and the chance of them being locked up for 30 more days because they are are caught with one while doing something is near zilch

 

[Sistema1927]

It appears that the OP, @bushmaster1313, hasn't posted since page one.

Hopefully he is now convinced that his idea was a really, really bad one.

 

[Waldo]

We all have our thoughts on these things. Whatever Congress or my legislature decides is what I'll do. If I don't like it, I'll work through that system to get it changed.

I am glad the signers of the Declaration of Independence did not think like you.
Do you think we have any natural or God given rights that can't be taken away by Congress or voted away by a majority?