So with all this hype about Sig P320, there are three at my LGRange that almost immediately showed up for sale; all priced at 350. Sellers would probably take 300. All three have a minimum of 4 mags; some more, an extra frame, and various other chit. So who would jump on this?
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With the allegations of safety, those informed will always wonder...will this one??? This pistol will remain a pariah i fear.
I would not buy another, even at that price. Have put mine up for the time being. Will wait and see how this plays out.
But, for those who are adamant that the ongoing "uncommanded discharge" issue is a figment of the imagination, a great time to buy, for sure.
But, for those who are adamant that the ongoing "uncommanded discharge" issue is a figment of the imagination, a great time to buy, for sure.
Terry G
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Wouldn't you know it? My Wife bought me a Sig P320 Compact AND a P320 full size for my Birthday. Now what? I could sell them at a loss, but I have NEVER sold on her presents and not going to start now. I'm shooting them. If i get killed I'll let you know.
The Last Standing Knight
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IMHO if you have one and want to carry it, do so....but only at Condition 3. Never carry with a round in the chamber.
This pistol has a stigma that will at this point never be shed or overcome.
This pistol has a stigma that will at this point never be shed or overcome.
Amp
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Haven't had an issue with my P320's however they are range toys except the M17 with safety.
DUSTYDOGDAN
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Hard pass IMO. Maybe $250 if it's like new in box and has been verified to have the modification to make it safe.
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Not just the Sig P320, but all striker fired automatics! The only striker fired gun I own is a Browning .380 Pocket, but I don't carry it. I am old and a reactionary. There are simply too many posts on the internet about various issues with striker fired models, in including S&W. The only S&W automatics I own are a Shorty Forty and Model 39-2. I do own many automatic pistols, well more than 20, and everyone of them except the Browning are hammer fired!
There is not a single argument any of you can make that would change my mind, so don't even try.
There is not a single argument any of you can make that would change my mind, so don't even try.
The M17/18 safety is irrelevant to the "uncommanded discharge" issue.
You're conflating two separate problems. The modification you refer to (the "voluntary upgrade") is to make the P320 no longer prone to discharge if dropped. Sig Sauer hasn't yet admitted that the pistol might ever go off spontaneously and so the company hasn't proposed any fix to address that.
There's a very detailed discussion on this topic here:
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I'm keeping my Sig Sauer M17 and M18 civilian copies, but I shoot them at my range without a lot of folks standing around. "Always keep a firearm pointed in a safe direction with the finger off the trigger." Army CID is replacing the M18 with the Glock 19. USAF Global Strike Command is putting the M18 back into service after they discovered the Security Police airman was shot via another serviceman's negligent act.
I have the M17 version. I'm keeping it, but I'd not buy another until some of the hubbub clears out and we know more - if that ever happens. Since lawyers and courts are involved in the P320 debacle I'm not sure the public will ever get the facts.
I don't use my M17 as a carry weapon, just shoot it for fun at the range. It's always unloaded unless pointed down range.
I don't use my M17 as a carry weapon, just shoot it for fun at the range. It's always unloaded unless pointed down range.
If you can find it online Bruce Gray produced a video on P320 and his team found four different events had to occur for the P320 to fire without a trigger pull. Don"t think he used screws or cut away part of the gun to do his test.
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Bruce Gray also adamantly declared that the P320 was drop safe in 2017 when it was discovered it was not, and basically called anyone who said otherwise a liar. He was proven wrong. Sig's infamous "voluntary upgrade" that was not a recall to fix the drop safety vulnerability that Sig insisted wasn't a problem but offered design "upgrades" to fix a problem they claimed didn't exist was the result of the proven lack of drop safety that Bruce Gray also claimed didn't exist. Bruce Gray depends on aftermarket Sig parts as a good portion of his business. He has an obvious conflict of interest and cannot be completely objective lest he be buggy whipped by Sig. So you have to consider anything he says about Sigs with that in mind.
Yep, the P320 had to drop at a specific angle to make it happen. Darn, my 1911 manual safety failed, grip safety failed and I had my finger on the trigger - it fired. 1911's are bad guns. No need to respond, I'm done, don't want to take over the OPs thread. You can believe opinions or facts - your choice.
Go to the Sig site. The free mod they are offering now includes the trigger mod if needed but also features a mod to the interface between the slide and the striker assembly. This mod is already included in more recently manufactured guns. There is a serial number check and a visual diagram check for you to see if your gun needs the mods.
Edit: The current mod of the slide being offered is not because of the drop safety issue. That was the trigger mod. Please go to the site and read the current mod offer and then criticize my post as in Post 19. Maybe Sig is lying, but they present it as two separate mods. Many pubs have already covered the lightened trigger mod as solving the drop issue.
Edit: The current mod of the slide being offered is not because of the drop safety issue. That was the trigger mod. Please go to the site and read the current mod offer and then criticize my post as in Post 19. Maybe Sig is lying, but they present it as two separate mods. Many pubs have already covered the lightened trigger mod as solving the drop issue.
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I am not a fan of striker either. I only own one, that's the new bodyguard 2.0, and I do carry it if weather dictated I wear skimpy clothes, most of the time it's an LCR or a J frame. Have a couple of SA autos, but I am also not a fan of cocked and locked. I do have a couple of DA/SA 380s, Bersas, that I have no problem carrying. I can clearly see the hammer down and with the heavier first round trigger pull I have no fear that I will get an AD while they are in my pocket, or on my belt, or in the fanny pack etc.
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All I'm saying is that citing Bruce Gray as the final word on the Sig P320s engineering is like asking a dairy farmer if you should eat more cheese and ice cream. I mentioned the drop test thing only to point out that at the time Bruce said what was happening in the Omaha Outdoors testing was not possible and he was proven wrong. Bruce has an obvious conflict of interest and it is in his best interest to pump sunshine about all things Sig related. He is not a neutral party. I believe facts, and here are some facts for you. If you disbelieve these facts, check it for yourself on your own P320. I have one and I have done so. This doesn't necessarily point conclusively to why P320s are going off in holsters, but it is a very ill-conceived flaw in a fully cocked SA striker fire pistol design with short trigger takeup and no tabbed trigger.
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The "upgrade" mods you are referring to are related to improving the drop safety issues discovered in 2017. That is completely unrelated to the current problem demonstrated by guns firing while inside holsters which involve guns that already have these mods.
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