It still wouldn't make any difference to me since a manual safety doesn't help prevent many of the types of unintentional discharges I'm concerned with plus I see a manual safety being a liability and potential failure point in getting the gun into action quickly. I and numerous defensive shooting instructors have witnessed even well trained individuals failing to get manual safeties disengaged during Force-on-Force scenarios. It just poses too great of a potential problem for reactive close-quarter civilian defense situations IMO. The majority of the time I carry an enclosed hammer snub revolver and would prefer an auto to be as reliable, simple to operate and safe as the revolver or as close as I can get with one.
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It still wouldn't make any difference to me since a manual safety doesn't help prevent many of the types of unintentional discharges I'm concerned with plus I see a manual safety being a liability and potential failure point in getting the gun into action quickly. I and numerous defensive shooting instructors have witnessed even well trained individuals failing to get manual safeties disengaged during Force-on-Force scenarios. It just poses too great of a potential problem for reactive close-quarter civilian defense situations IMO. The majority of the time I carry an enclosed hammer snub revolver and would prefer an auto to be as reliable, simple to operate and safe as the revolver or as close as I can get with one.
I've posted pictures before when I first got this. I like this very much. As you can see by the comparison photo with a Gemini Custom Model S&W M&P 340 they are basically the same size and very easy to conceal using a front pocket holster. For the price (which was less then the Model 340) it gives me at least two great carry options, and is a very accurate weapon. I was very lucky to get the first one my dealer was able to get, without paying a premium price for it. I think you will be very happy if you do purchase one.
They may be similar in size, but they are very different in weight with the Sig being virtually double the weight of the Smith. Big difference in trigger pull weight(and length) as well. I have no real concerns about carrying a DAO J-frame in a pocket, but I'll pass on carrying a striker-fired gun with such a short light trigger in one. The S&W will come out of the pocket quicker and be much safer when doing so.
mrmike7189
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meh, does nothing that my Glock 26 or shield 9 does not already do. I'd wait a few years before buying one. still some bugs to work out I think
Exactly. Until I stop hearing about low-round-count issues on nearly new ones, I'll stick with my LC9.
7+1 that is dead-nuts reliable beats 10+1 so-so reliable for me - at least for now.
I'm not, and as you can tell by my Forum name and avatar, I'm a SIG fan. Before you buy, head over to the SIG Talk Forum and read through the many posts about the P365. There are persistent reports of problems with broken strikers and detached trigger springs. There are a few reports of barrel peening and failing extractors as well. SIG will remedy all of these problems, just as S&W did with the Shield's early production glitches, but for now, I'd pass on an immediate purchase.
Here is a link to the SIG Talk subforum that has the P365 threads: P250, P320, P365 & P320 X-5 Pistols - SIG Talk
windypoint
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I just fired mine for the first time today. I fired around fifty rounds with the gun performing well and surprisingly accurate at 15 feet. Most of the shots falling within a 3 inch circle. The few flyers were my fault during rapid fire exercise, but still effective. The new twelve round magazine came apart at the bottom but on closer examination it was not assembled correctly and seems fine after I reattached it. The reset is quick and I double tapped a couple of times when rapid firing. I need to use a little more control. Compared to the Beretta Nano it is a much smoother pistol. If it holds up long term it is a winner.
Lee in Quartzsite
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Both my wife and I recently purchased the Sig P-365. So far I have shot 150 rounds of various ammunition with no issues. My wife has almost 500 rounds through hers, again with no issues. Both are surprisingly very accurate and the recoil seems much less that our previous Shields. Mine fits my LC-9 holster so that solved the new holster issue. After another 200 rounds or so it will replace my LC-9 as my summer EDC. My winter gun will still be my M&P 45c, but I could carry the 365 is a BUG in my pocket. It's basically the same size as my 642 J-frame, but with double the round count. Trigger pull on my 365 is 5.5-6 pounds; trigger pull on my 642 is 10 pounds. The Sig is 100 times faster to reload.
Yes, I have read all of the "problems" listed in some of the forums, so I will pay attention to the issues mentioned, but so far both of ours have been flawless. When I bought my Shield years ago it had both FTF and FTE problems and had to go back to S&W the first week I owned it, so no gun is immune to problems.
Yes, I have read all of the "problems" listed in some of the forums, so I will pay attention to the issues mentioned, but so far both of ours have been flawless. When I bought my Shield years ago it had both FTF and FTE problems and had to go back to S&W the first week I owned it, so no gun is immune to problems.
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Jeppo
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Picked up my second one yesterday. 
The overall footprint may be similar, but there's a pretty substantial difference in weight and shape.
Lee in Quartzsite
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OK, now you made me get out my scale....
642 empty weight is 13 ounces. 642 loaded weight is 15 ounces.
365 empty weight is 14.4 ounces. 365 loaded weight is 20.4 ounces.
The 642 butt, with a green crimson trace grip, is actually longer than the
365 butt. I imagine with the 12 round magazine they would be about equal. Overall length is almost identical.
The 365 actually fits easier in my shorts front pocket and is quicker to draw than my 642.
Both are great guns, carry what makes you feel comfortable.
Jeppo
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For me, the 12 round magazine makes an enormous difference in the grip without actually adding much to the dimensions when compared to the 10 extended.
Would you clarify the empty weight above? Is that with no magazine at all? The Sig website lists the 365 weight at 17.8 oz.
I know the shield had some minor problems when they first came out, but the 365 has MORE than minor issues! I could NOT carry a gun where the firing pin broke/malfunctioned for any reason after 1000 rounds or anytime!
This issue has happened on more than one gun. What if you have shot it a lot and everything has been OK, and when you need it for self defense you pull the trigger and nothing happens!
Do you want to risk your life on a gun that MAYBE will fire? Sig needs to find the batch/run of guns and the reason for this issue and have an immediate recall !!! JMO
This gun will be a great pistol when all concerns are fixed, but NOT one I would trust my LIFE on right now!
Be SAFE and shoot often!
This issue has happened on more than one gun. What if you have shot it a lot and everything has been OK, and when you need it for self defense you pull the trigger and nothing happens!
Do you want to risk your life on a gun that MAYBE will fire? Sig needs to find the batch/run of guns and the reason for this issue and have an immediate recall !!! JMO
This gun will be a great pistol when all concerns are fixed, but NOT one I would trust my LIFE on right now!
Be SAFE and shoot often!
Lee in Quartzsite
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The Sig empty weight was with the magazine removed. The loaded weight was with 10 in the mag, chamber empty.
The 642 has a Crimson Trace green laser grip, so it probably weighs more than stock without the CT grip.
I dry fire with snap caps, moving the slide slightly to the rear to reset the trigger. My 365 has a very distinct reset.
Sig doesn't list loaded weights, but Glock does for the 26 and has 10 rounds adding 4.41 ounces, which would give the P365 an approximate loaded weight of 22.21 ounces, which will vary depending on the specific ammunition.
Triggernosis
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The P365 loaded with 124 gr is 24.7 oz.
I always use a snap cap when dryfiring any gun. It is just added insurance against firing pin or breech face damage. Sig did have a very small number of firing tip breakage issues. The problem seems to be gone as of late. There is no question Sig is making minor changes as the gun is rolling out but their turnaround time is usually less than two weeks, (hear that S&W?)
As for those who think Sig is alone in their introduction of the P365? Think Kimber Solo, Remington R51, Shield, Shield EZ, Glock, etc. This happens with most new models and some prefer to wait and others jump on immediately and let the factory upgrade as needed. Mine is a gem and has replaced a lot of what I previously carried.
As for the weight, Duh, more ammo means more weight.
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