single shot 15-22

[ukm@p]

Ok so as some of you know I only use my rifle for hunting and I'm searching for a way to improve accuracy one thought I've had is if I was to replace the bolt assembly spring with an equal in dimension peice of steel, this would require the rifle to be charged prior to each shot (something I'm comfortable with) and would IMO remove some variables from the fireing cycle. Does anyone have any thoughts or recommendations about doing this and is it likely to damage the rifle in any way ?

 

[Kayback]

You wouldn't able to charge it with a solid piece in the way, it would prevent the bolt moving wouldn't it?

The 15/22 is quite accurate enough for hunting. Just don't try make 100m shots with it. try <25m.

 

[ukm@p]

ok foot in mouth I think lol is their another way that would be reversible my problem is that because the gun laws are so strict here it would take a long long time before I would even be considered to have another rifle of the same caliber put on my ticket. I bought a rimfire to give me extended range over my air rifle which I was able to shoot sub 1" groups at 50yds if I can't make it more accurate I will be forced to get something else which will break my heart .

 

[Jyezahn]

I think you'd have to drill a hole directly behind the closed bolt on the upper, then put a pin into it after you chambered a round. Once fired, remove the pin and cycle the bolt with your charging handle. Reinsert the pin to fire.

 

[GMC man]

I would recommend trying different ammo first. Winchester for mine is a large spread about 4in, where Federal is less then 2 inches and CCI mini mags are less then a inch at 50 yards. I think there are even better ammo out there but the more you are willing to pay the better the ammo in this case its all depends on what your girl likes.

 

[Majorlk]

Ok so as some of you know I only use my rifle for hunting and I'm searching for a way to improve accuracy one thought I've had is if I was to replace the bolt assembly spring with an equal in dimension peice of steel, this would require the rifle to be charged prior to each shot (something I'm comfortable with) and would IMO remove some variables from the fireing cycle. Does anyone have any thoughts or recommendations about doing this and is it likely to damage the rifle in any way ?

With all due respect, I can't think of a better way to ruin what is a perfectly good rifle. If you need a rifle with 1 MOA accuracy, I would suggest you go through whatever hoops you have to jump through in the UK and buy a rifle that has that level of accuracy.

As it is, the 15-22 is perfectly capable, with proper ammo selection of 2.5-3.0 MOA, which is perfectly adequate for anything but precision bullseye shooting. If that isn't sufficient for your shooting needs, you bought the wrong rifle.

 

[Majorlk]

ok foot in mouth I think lol is their another way that would be reversible my problem is that because the gun laws are so strict here it would take a long long time before I would even be considered to have another rifle of the same caliber put on my ticket. I bought a rimfire to give me extended range over my air rifle which I was able to shoot sub 1" groups at 50yds if I can't make it more accurate I will be forced to get something else which will break my heart .

With the proper ammo, the 15-22 is more than capable of 1" groups at 50 yards.

 

[PainterlyShotgroup]

How about some kind of one shot mag with a follower that inhibits the bolt from cycling after it's stripped the round and chambered it? You'd have to release the mag after every shot though, so it probably would be more cumbersome.... I know they have one shot magwell inserts for AR's. I don't know if they allow the bolt to cycle though. How much accuracy does a particular semi-auto rifle loose in comparison to a bolt action or single shot?

 

[Majorlk]

How about some kind of one shot mag with a follower that inhibits the bolt from cycling after it's stripped the round and chambered it? You'd have to release the mag after every shot though, so it probably would be more cumbersome.... I know they have one shot magwell inserts for AR's. I don't know if they allow the bolt to cycle though. How much accuracy does a particular semi-auto rifle loose in comparison to a bolt action or single shot?

All depends upon what two rifles you are comparing. With a good, match grade bolt action v an average semi-auto, it could easily be 50 percent or more. My Ruger 77/22 (with scope, from the bench) will easily do under 2 MOA, and it doesn't have a match barrel. With a match barrel and glass bedding, I have no doubt I could get close to 1 MOA.

 

[E6type]

I bought a rimfire to give me extended range over my air rifle which I was able to shoot sub 1" groups at 50yds.

Savage 93R17

 

[BlueLizard]

Have you enquired to your licensing officer about adding a .22 bolt action to your FAC? I don't see why it'd be a problem if you can demonstrate the need for a bolt action for precision shooting comps. I have a 15-22 and CZ452 both in .22 on my ticket (and also a GSG-5 in .22, and a spare slot for acquiring a .22 long barrel pistol come to think of it!).

Edit - just noticed that you mention hunting only. Are there any target ranges you could join in your area, which would allow you to state target shooting as intended use on an FAC variation?


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[ukm@p]

I'm seeing my firearms officer early next week so will pick his brains but gonna make it my life's goal to get this rifle shooting 1moa thank you all for you're input and if I do end up doing something drastic then I'll keep you posted as to how it turns out. Also I know I should of done a bit more research on which rifle would of met my needs but I saw this and just had to have it and really can't see me parting with it any time soon

 

[PainterlyShotgroup]

I'm seeing my firearms officer early next week so will pick his brains but gonna make it my life's goal to get this rifle shooting 1moa thank you all for you're input and if I do end up doing something drastic then I'll keep you posted as to how it turns out. Also I know I should of done a bit more research on which rifle would of met my needs but I saw this and just had to have it and really can't see me parting with it any time soon

Of course you had to have this rifle...it's a no brainer. No one here will criticize you for wanting a 15-22

This idea of "Firearms Officer" is hard for me to fathom. Sounds too much like parole officer. Typically, how do you find these officers? are they sympathetic to firearm ownership or is it a sweaty palms, have to have a water tight reason for ownership kind of ordeal every time you have to meet with them?

 

[Majorlk]

I'm seeing my firearms officer early next week so will pick his brains but gonna make it my life's goal to get this rifle shooting 1moa thank you all for you're input and if I do end up doing something drastic then I'll keep you posted as to how it turns out. Also I know I should of done a bit more research on which rifle would of met my needs but I saw this and just had to have it and really can't see me parting with it any time soon

Personally, you are wasting your time. I seriously doubt the barrel is capable of 1 MOA, no matter what you do with it, even in a manufacturer's test fixture. Then there is the polymer upper, with it's built-in flex and the method of the attachment of the barrel to the upper. Your idea of converting it to a single shot falls flat because it does nothing to correct the previous two conditions.

As I, and other, have said, it you want a 1 MOA rifle, buy a bolt action that has that potential. There are several on the market.

 

[DelFuego]

Buy a Mossin Nagant 91/30 for a little over $100.

 

[Gopher Slayer]

I don't see how preventing the bolt from cycling is going to make it more accurate. I thought bolt guns were accurate because the bolts lugs lock up the same every time, and the chambers are tighter.

 

[OldEagleEars]

After observing the official hurdles thrown in the way of honest firearms owners in the UK, I think we Yanks (generic term so settle down southerners!) should all drop down on our knee-bones and give thanks that we have the liberties we do. The UK did a lot of gun-banning after the Great War (1914-1918), thinking that all those "Soldiers of the Crown" would turn into "trigger-happy maniacs" if there were firearms about, (the "better-sort of people" could still order up a Holland & Holland with no trouble, of course). When Hitler came around and chased the British Army back across the Channel at Dunkirk they abandoned most of their arms on the French beach, rifles included. Because there were no civilian weapons available to arm the Home Guard in preparation for the expected invasion (banned, don't you know...) the American NRA collected and sent several thousand donated rifles to Britain in an attempt to ease the shortage. After the war His Majesty's Government destroyed almost all the donated guns for the same lame reasons as after the earlier war and it has gotten worse since. My sympathies to our persecuted Brother in Wales.

 

[ukm@p]

Firearms officer is his "title" and sweaty palms isn't the word.every visit is a potential interrogation and he carries out regular inspections at the drop of a hat you also have to have a rock solid explanation as to the quantity of ammo you need I can only have 400 rounds at any one time in my possession. I've found a local club so I will see if I can get away with getting another .22lr on my ticket and say the 15-22 will be used for target shooting ,although it appears to be an impossible task I'm not going to give up on trying to get the most out of the rifle so if anyone does come up with any ideas please let me know

 

[PainterlyShotgroup]

Firearms officer is his "title" and sweaty palms isn't the word.every visit is a potential interrogation and he carries out regular inspections at the drop of a hat you also have to have a rock solid explanation as to the quantity of ammo you need I can only have 400 rounds at any one time in my possession. I've found a local club so I will see if I can get away with getting another .22lr on my ticket and say the 15-22 will be used for target shooting ,although it appears to be an impossible task I'm not going to give up on trying to get the most out of the rifle so if anyone does come up with any ideas please let me know

I feel for you. Nothing like hoops to jump through and less than friendly officials to discourage people from owning firearms.

I guess one thing you could tell him, is that since owning the 15-22, you've enjoyed the activity of off hand shooting and while you can get decent bench accuracy, it's spurred your interest in having a bolt action/single action rifle for shooting longer distances, with more accuracy. That should you want to hunt small game, you want to be able to kill in the most humane way possible.

 

[Majorlk]

I don't see how preventing the bolt from cycling is going to make it more accurate. I thought bolt guns were accurate because the bolts lugs lock up the same every time, and the chambers are tighter.

Exactly correct! The ONLY lockup in a blowback semi-auto is the force of the recoil spring against the bolt. There are no lugs on the bolt, so lockup repeatability is iffy, at best. It's amazing how simple physics gets ignored at times.