single shot 15-22

[ukm@p]

I like it and I'll use it thank you. As for the firearms officer he seems like a nice enough bloke but I think they get pressure from higher up, I'm sure that if "they" could get away with an outright ban "they" would instead it seems they will achieve their goal by slipping in stricter and tighter regulations until Walla no members of the public with anything deemed remotely dangerous or threatening to any one. I know Im being a bit dramatic but I really want my son and his son etc etc to enjoy hunting,fishing and the great outdoors as I have but unsure whether they will be allowed the freedom to do so. Anyway enough of my moaning I'm off shooting in a bit and will hopefully have a few pics to post if I can find the appropriate thread wish me luck .

 

[Majorlk]

Firearms officer is his "title" and sweaty palms isn't the word.every visit is a potential interrogation and he carries out regular inspections at the drop of a hat you also have to have a rock solid explanation as to the quantity of ammo you need I can only have 400 rounds at any one time in my possession. I've found a local club so I will see if I can get away with getting another .22lr on my ticket and say the 15-22 will be used for target shooting ,although it appears to be an impossible task I'm not going to give up on trying to get the most out of the rifle so if anyone does come up with any ideas please let me know

You have my deep sympathy. There's not a firearm in my vault that I have only 400 rounds for, must less a total of 400. I seldom have less than 10 times that of .22 LR at any given time - more like 10k. And then add in the centerfire ...

Just another reason to fight socialism with all your might!

 

[ukm@p]

Seriously? If I asked for even 1000 rounds of .22lr on my ticket he would probably start questioning my mental stability (probably wandering which town I was going to shoot up) lol oh well it could be worse I guess I have a friend who served 3years 4 months over 20 years ago because he spent more than three years in prison he is banned for life from owning any firearm ,his crime was driving related.. I've just spoken to a custom shop here in the UK the bloke says he might be able to make a modified rail that rotates the bolt and replace the charging handle with a bolt handle that fits direct to a thread that will be cut into the bolt, as the handle moves up and back it cocks the trigger and as it moves forward and down it will sit inside a recess cut into the stock which is strengthened by a piece of metal pinned to the body ??

 

[Majorlk]

Seriously? If I asked for even 1000 rounds of .22lr on my ticket he would probably start questioning my mental stability (probably wandering which town I was going to shoot up)

He'd have a heart attack if he saw my ammo vault - yes, I have a separate one from the firearms vault for ammo.

I've just spoken to a custom shop here in the UK the bloke says he might be able to make a modified rail that rotates the bolt and replace the charging handle with a bolt handle that fits direct to a thread that will be cut into the bolt, as the handle moves up and back it cocks the trigger and as it moves forward and down it will sit inside a recess cut into the stock which is strengthened by a piece of metal pinned to the body ??

I think your bloke doesn't know what he is talking about. Basically, you are going to destroy a perfectly good firearm in the vain attempt to make the 15-22 into something it cannot become. Oh well, it's your firearm and your money ...

 

[PainterlyShotgroup]

I agree with Majorlk. Don't modify your 15-22 unless you get denied another .22lr by your Firearms Officer. I think only then should you even consider doing anything to the 15-22.

 

[BlueLizard]

I'd agree with Majorik - I don't see any point in mauling the 15-22 to make it something that it was never intended to be. Much better to go through the process to seek another .22 bolt to add to your FAC.

It's not all *that* bad in the UK re firearms ownership (and I say that as an ex-pistol shooter that lost an original 686, Star 9mm and various .22 pistols in the legal tightening of the last 15 years); it's just about demonstrating 'need' to possess certain calibres and ammo quantities and having a safe place to shoot them. I have several .22 rifles on ticket and can hold 5.5k of .22LR ammo. I also have a .357 Winchester lever action, 9mm AR15 carbine (with a lever release action) and a .308 Ruger 77mk2. I can hold around 1k each of .357, .38 and 9mm and 200 rounds of .308. All of this is for target shooting (non-hunting) at an approved club with affiliation with a Ministry of Defence range for .308 shooting out to 800 metres.

Having discovered some of the restrictions evident in the likes of California and NYC, I'm actually pretty glad that I can own an 'un-neutered' 15-22 over here!

 

[mn_doggie]

You have my deep sympathy. There's not a firearm in my vault that I have only 400 rounds for, must less a total of 400. I seldom have less than 10 times that of .22 LR at any given time - more like 10k. And then add in the centerfire ...

Just another reason to fight socialism with all your might!

I'm hanging on to about 5K worth of .22 ammo so I'd be in trouble too.

I'm not sure it's the socialism aspect that comes into play.

 

[Majorlk]

I'm not sure it's the socialism aspect that comes into play.

There's not a single socialist country that does not exercise extreme control over private ownership of firearms - in many cases prohibiting such ownership.

 

[Kayback]

Our laws are almost as bad, with the justify need stuff and everything.

We're limited as an occasional user to 1200 rounds per year, no more than 200 at any one time, per lisence.

I'm a registered sports shooter so I have that restriction removed. Busy in the process of setting up my new Dillon press, so I'm a little low on ammo. Only have about 800 reloaded 9x19mm, about 300 reloaded .45's and 200 factory ammo for both. I've only got a couple of center fire rifle rounds but a couple hundred 12 guage rounds, everything from rubber batton rounds to 00 buck.

I've probably got about 250 rounds of various .22LR makes, but that's because I haven't been shopping in a while.

I know the hardship you have to go through!

Our lisencing system can take, literally, YEARS to go through the system.

KBK

 

[mn_doggie]

There's not a single socialist country that does not exercise extreme control over private ownership of firearms - in many cases prohibiting such ownership.

I agree that in practice that's what they do, mostly becasue they want control of things and people.

I'm not sure that socialism in its purest sense (and I don't believe in socialism nor am I well versed in it) takes a stand one way or the other on guns. they ultimately take the guns cuz they pretty much know that people don't wanna live under their rule after a while when things don't work out as they planned.

Anyway that's enough off topic. Didn't intend to go that far.

On the topic at hand, someone said put only one round in the mag. They mentioned that there are single round mags for AR15. That doesn't quite compare apples to apples. Because of the bolt design on the AR15, the bolt is locked in place till the bullet is pretty much gone from the barrel due to the design of the gas impingment system.

In the 15-22 the bolt starts moving back as soon as the bullet leaves the case.

 

[Majorlk]

On the topic at hand, someone said put only one round in the mag. They mentioned that there are single round mags for AR15. That doesn't quite compare apples to apples. Because of the bolt design on the AR15, the bolt is locked in place till the bullet is pretty much gone from the barrel due to the design of the gas impingment system.

In the 15-22 the bolt starts moving back as soon as the bullet leaves the case.

The gentleman's project is doomed to failure.

 

[Kayback]

The bolt on a blow back gun will start moving at the same time the bullet moves. The inertia might be a little more to overcome, but it is accelerating.

That isn't the problem though. By the time that has happened the bullet is on it's way. The problem is how the bolt locks up compared to a bolt action rifle.

The semi will always have a looser chamber by design, to alow the rapid insertion of the bullet that's been stripped from the magazine. The bolt will also be held in by slightly less accurately machined methods because of bolt actions rotate into place while most semi's do not.

The bolt action is able to be almost precision machined because of the energy available to lock it into place. The bolt is able to be put back into the same place with much greater accuracy ensuring greater bullet/barrel alignment. A semi auto rifle only has the smalle amount of impulse energy available in the micro seconds it is there to do it's job. You have your entire life and all the muscles in your torso to work a bolt action rifle.

You can not simply convert a semi auto rifle into something it is not. I don't even know how many hours were spent designing the SR-25 (Mk11 Mod 0) sniper rifle or rifles like the La Rue PredatAR. And those systems were building from the ground up, not converting an already existing system.

Maybe you can get a replacement barrel with the PC chamber for a standard 15-22, I do not know. Throw some super match ammo like the Ely ammo on it and you may get near where you are looking, but that is not what a 15-22 is designed for. It is like complaining that your Focus RS can't compete with a true rally car. It can't. It may be able to do some of the same things, but to compete you need a purpose built machine.

KBK

 

[Maddmax]

Firearms officer is his "title" and sweaty palms isn't the word.every visit is a potential interrogation and he carries out regular inspections at the drop of a hat you also have to have a rock solid explanation as to the quantity of ammo you need I can only have 400 rounds at any one time in my possession. I've found a local club so I will see if I can get away with getting another .22lr on my ticket and say the 15-22 will be used for target shooting ,although it appears to be an impossible task I'm not going to give up on trying to get the most out of the rifle so if anyone does come up with any ideas please let me know

So just how many weapons can you have on your ticket at one time. Can you accumulate more over time or are you restricted to just so many period and have to trade to get a different one ?

 

[ukm@p]

Ok I was soooo wrong and many many thanks to all who discouraged me from making a big mistake and potentially destroying a perfectly good rifle. All it took was about 30 mins and a few different brands of ammo. In the end I settled with eley subs and was doing .05" groups at 50 yds the brand I was using previous(Winchester) produced 3.75" groups at the same distance just go's to show how fussy some rifle are. I had a friendly competition last night with a friend shooting a bolt action Brno and we ended up with a total of 43 bunnies, I had 31 of them and whilst I will never suggest this rifle is as accurate as it's "rival" I was able to shoot rabbits out to 100yds and take them in quicker succession than my friend, again a big apology for suggesting this rifle is anything other than a "bloody good gun old chap"

 

[Majorlk]

Thanks for the good news update. I was going to suggest you use the money saved to stock up on more ammo, but that doesn't work for you.

 

[BlueLizard]

Happy Ending - good to hear!


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[wlkjr]

Are rabbits that plentiful?

 

[rraisley]

In the end I settled with eley subs and was doing .05" groups at 50 yds the brand I was using previous(Winchester) produced 3.75" groups at the same distance just go's to show how fussy some rifle are.

I'm pleased that your rifle shoots well now with the Eley, but I still think you missed a decimal point here. I think I can accurately state the NO gun is capable of 0.05" groups at 50 yards, or that you could measure them if they happened. Not saying it could not (accidentally) happen, but....

 

[ukm@p]

My mistake 0.5 inch group with 5rounds at 3 separate targets and yes theirs loads of rabbits here and their a massive problem to the local livestock owners, anyone who wants to come and give me a hand is welcome.

 

[Majorlk]

Interesting about the rabbits. I believe parts of Australia have the same problem. Many parts of the US have problems with ground hogs and other small critters.