Situational (surroundings) Awareness

To elaborate on Michigan and it’s easing of requirements for a CPL.

This took place during the John Engler (R) years when Jennifer Granholm was the state Attorney General. She was against it initially and later said during her first term as Governor that she was pleasantly surprised that there were few problems, many less than she initially expected with the new CPL law.

In fact during her second term she signed into law more protection for self defense situations.

I could never see our present Governor signing a law like either of these today. In fact if her party controlled the legislature I could see more restrictions being enacted on CPL’s, self defense and probably on sport shooting.
 
BINGO! This is exactly right. People often say they don't go places where they would need to have one. But this is similar to saying you're a safe driver and don't drive far or where you feel you'd NEED auto insurance - "in 30 years of driving you've NEVER had an accident"! Or medical insurance.

These things happen in seconds and if you're not prepared then you're in steep trouble. If you're not AWARE of your surroundings etc you're at a huge disadvantage. I'd say 95% of people are utterly clueless of their surroundings. That's why they're easy targets for whatever a predator decides they want to do.

We are in a county that is about 40 miles from Detroit, 30 some miles from Flint and about the same from Lansing. Relatively safe place but those times are a changing.

The other night there was a police chase, news reports 120 mph plus from the north part of the county here that ended in Detroit, well over 50 miles. Yesterday a road rage incident, Ohio registered car rammed a motorist several times on I-96 here also.

You can be minding your own business when the SHTF, no place is safe anymore.
 
Before coming to a practice based on incomplete information, know that year in, year out, murder victims, rape victims, and aggravated assault victims know their attacker at least 30% of the time, much more for rape. Ten percent of murder victims are related to their killer within the first degree of consanguinity. https://crime-data-explorer.fr.cloud.gov/pages/explorer/crime/shr

So, yesterday morning at the supermarket, a young thug-looking man came running out the front doors with his hand under his jacket. He ran right past the hood of my truck, never looked at me, but very quickly drew a stolen bottle of tequila without stopping and tossed it under my truck. He got to his getaway care and his buddy squealed the tires and drove away fast. No one was chasing him.

My reaction? I watched him come and go. Could I have whipped out my carry gun? Sure. But why would I?
 
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So, yesterday morning at the supermarket, a young thug-looking man came running out the front doors with his hand under his jacket. He ran right past the hood of my truck, never looked at me, but very quickly drew a stolen bottle of tequila without stopping and tossed it under my truck. He got to his getaway care and his buddy squealed the tires and drove away fast. No one was chasing him.

My reaction? I watched him come and go. Could I have whipped out my carry gun? Sure. But why would I?

Well, for one thing, you blew your chance to take "a shot". :p

(Cheers!)
 
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I know a couple that live in a rural area about 1/4 mile from their nearest neighbor. They were sitting on their front porch and a guy came out of the woods behind their house and over powered them and stole their car.
I decided a long time ago that nobody is immune from crime. Situational awareness is good but sometimes it may not be enough. Everybody is free to make their own choice but I have always thought it might be a good idea to keep a little difference handy. Larry
 
Situational awareness can extend beyond just one's own situation. I have always, as far as I can recall, exercised such situational awareness.

My only non-duty incident where I thought I would have to use deadly force did not involve danger to me or mine. I was still an LEO then, but off-duty. One night we were on Broadway in San Francisco at Enrico Banducci's coffee house. Broadway during that era had a proliferation of topless/bottomless joints. We were sitting on the patio at Enrico's watching the passing parade on the sidewalk, a theater of the bizarre. At one point a group of young women passed by us. Although not then dressed provocatively, their make up and general appearance gave us (my bride and I) the impression that they were performers from the local nightclubs. So far so good. However, right beyond them was a small man harassing them by loudly shouting obscene insults of a sexual nature. The girls were doing their best to ignore him. Even assuming they were local performers, there was no justification for what this individual was doing. While we were watching this, a Mercedes convertible, with the top down, arrived. The sole occupant got out, leaving his car in the street, reached behind the seat, withdrew a motorcycle chain, and started walking towards the harasser. The Mercedes driver, who I assumed to be a night club manager, was about my size, so any match between him and the harasser would have been completely one-sided, even without the motorcycle chain. The fact that the Mercedes driver even carried such an implement convinced me of his willingness and ability to use it.

The girls reacted to this imminent confrontation by running off. The Mercedes driver was focused on the small harasser. The intended victim was backing away from the Mercedes driver into the parking lot next to Enrico's. The problem was that this parking lot was surrounded on the rear and sides by buildings, so it was a box canyon from which there was no escape. I told my wife that I did not want to get involved in this situation, but I could not ignore it. I walked into the parking lot and closed with the confrontation by remaining off the flank of the assailant so he would not be aware of my presence until I announced myself. As I was almost in position, and the would-be assailant was now closely approaching the intended victim, San Francisco PD rolled up in two doubled units. That stopped everything. Since I had not yet interceded, all I did was turn around and depart.

The point to all this is that true situational awareness means you may encounter situations where the threat is to an unknown third party, and you will face the ethical dilemma of whether or not to act. I was convinced then, and still am now, that without someone interceding there was going to be, at the very least, an extremely violent assault with a deadly weapon (a felony), and worst case scenario, death as a result.

Under the law of deadly force, at least in CA, a person my use deadly force to defend themselves or third persons against assaults likely to produce death or great bodily harm. When teaching the law pertaining to this, I would use the example of a mother protecting her children, because even the most enlightened social justice warriors have a tough time making their self-righteous counter arguments. But it applies equally to unknown third persons, such as in my example.

The lesson I would derive from this is that while we can be as cautious as possible to not place ourselves in situations where we may have to use deadly force to defend ourselves or our families, that does not mean we may not have such an situation just dropped in front of us.

Then we will have a decision to make. Whatever we decide, we must do so quickly, and we must be right.

I have used this incident in my classes to underscore the responsibilities that one assumes when one decides to go armed.
 
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I live in North West Broward county; just about 45 miles above the Dade County line. I could write a book about this but I will keep it short. Miami Dade County IS NOT America. English is a third language. Crime is rampant, police coverage is far from adequate. Poverty, squalor and the homeless rule the street. Bottom line, I have a CCW as does2 my wife. We are both highly trained. And there is NO reason for us to cross the Dade County line. We have lived in Florida fo 10 years now, never have and never will. Just a word to out of state tourists; stay the f -ck out of Miami.

I worked LE in Miami for 18 years. Of course, now that I left, I can't be held responsible for any rise in crime. ;)
 
I live in North West Broward county; just about 45 miles above the Dade County line. I could write a book about this but I will keep it short. Miami Dade County IS NOT America. English is a third language. Crime is rampant, police coverage is far from adequate. Poverty, squalor and the homeless rule the street. Bottom line, I have a CCW as does2 my wife. We are both highly trained. And there is NO reason for us to cross the Dade County line. We have lived in Florida fo 10 years now, never have and never will. Just a word to out of state tourists; stay the f -ck out of Miami.

I worked LE in Miami for 18 years. Of course, now that I left, I can't be held responsible for any rise in crime. ;)


The folks that caused the problems in Miami/Dade & Broward Counties are moving north Just look at what is happening in West Palm Beach & Palm Beach County. I grew up here in Indian River County and never repeat never had any crime to speak of back then. Now we are starting to see things here that we heard about 50 years ago in Miami...... Do use my carry permit all the time. Son-In-Law was a Deputy here in IRC and has retired, and is glad of it.
 
So, yesterday morning at the supermarket, a young thug-looking man came running out the front doors with his hand under his jacket. He ran right past the hood of my truck, never looked at me, but very quickly drew a stolen bottle of tequila without stopping and tossed it under my truck. He got to his getaway care and his buddy squealed the tires and drove away fast. No one was chasing him.

My reaction? I watched him come and go. Could I have whipped out my carry gun? Sure. But why would I?


Because you are not a sworn law enforcement officer, that's why. A license to carry concealed does not grant arrest powers.
 
but do remember that it took many hoops to jump through to obtain your CCP and if you were involved in any infractions, civil or criminal: it would be revoked and the penalties were more severe than if you didn't have one.

I'll admit there was a few hoops but the part about penalties being more severe is pure hogwash. I don't know where you got that information but it is incorrect.
 
I've often considered getting my CCP. The only thing stopping me is the ramifications in my state regarding the CCP.

CCP? Don't you mean CPL? I'm a little confused, what ramifications? I live in Michigan too, CC'd for 15 years. Do you know something I don't?
 
When conducting firearm training classes, both LEO and Citizen, I always referred to this color-coded chart of 'Situational Awareness' and included it with any other paperwork that was handed out to the class. Pretty self-explanatory. It was produced years ago by John 'Jeff' Cooper. (Google him if you've never heard of him).

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Sorry, but Cooper disapproved of adding or subtracting from his color codes, which were four in number, and which were White, Yellow, Orange, and Red.

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I've always been one to be keenly aware of where I'm at and who might be around me. It's just me. I do own weapons that I could conceal carry, but I rarely allow myself to be in areas that might require it.

There is no area like that any longer. Sorry to say.........
 
Sorry, but Cooper disapproved of adding or subtracting from his color codes, which were four in number, and which were White, Yellow, Orange, and Red.

Col. Jeff Cooper: Mental condition, Color codes - YouTube

What's there to be sorry about? Nothing anyone does is perfect most of the time, not even Cooper's. The addition of the 'BLACK' section is there for a reason. It represents a complete lack of appropriate training to fall back on when shtf. And it is a real condition. So, it actually enhances Col. Cooper's color code chart.

The mind is like a parachute...it works best when it's open!
 
CCP? Don't you mean CPL? I'm a little confused, what ramifications? I live in Michigan too, CC'd for 15 years. Do you know something I don't?

Back in the day, Michigan had what they called 'CCW' permits (Carry Concealed Weapon) which were either 'General' or 'Restricted' in nature. 'General' meant you could carry (almost) anywhere, anytime, while 'Restricted' was limited from home, to work, to the bank. The 'Restricted' permit made things a little sketchy for obvious reasons. And now, even with the updated CPL (Concealed Pistol License), does that mean that one could carry a cocked & locked pistol on his or her person, but not a boot knife? I don't know. But yeah, like you I am a little more than confused with the OP's statement, and I'm 64, born & bred in Michigan and have lived here my entire life including almost 30 years LEO.
 
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OP: Get your CLP license. You may never carry, but you will have the legal right to carry if you ever feel the need.
I have lived in 6 States during my 70 plus years and have NEVER felt unsafe (could always have a handgun handy) until I moved to Ohio in 2001 where you DID NOT have the right to defend yourself until the State passed their CCW permit program a few years ago.
I don’t always carry, but it’s good that I can if I feel a need to. JMO
As stated above, situational awareness is a key element to staying as safe as possible in these unsettling times.
I also got “CCW Safe” that would cover any self defense situation cost if one (God forbid) should happen.
 
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