Smith and Wesson quality Kaput.

[cowboy4evr]

The "New Jersey " lawsuit ? Coming from "that " state speaks for itself . Sig is not knew to Law Enforcement business . Their firearms have been in use world wide for decades . Too many satisfied users and for too long around the world and in this country to " hang your hat " solely on New Jersey's problem .

 

[Arik]

The "New Jersey " lawsuit ? Coming from "that " state speaks for itself . Sig is not knew to Law Enforcement business . Their firearms have been in use world wide for decades . Too many satisfied users and for too long around the world and in this country to " hang your hat " solely on New Jersey's problem .

Or it was a bad lot. Either way they've had issues before. Not the first time and not the last.

Their 556 rifles were a disaster. High stress parts that needed to be hardened steel were made of aluminum or plastic , canted rails, canted sights.

Don't confuse Sig German/Swiss with Sig USA. Essentially Theo different companies



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[chief38]

Personally, I like buying vintage Smith's that are in "as new" or as close to that as possible and examining them up close and personal. When I've done that I have never had any issues.

I have purchased a few online and I did reserve the right for a 3 day return if they were not up to my expectations. Again, maybe I've been lucky but no issues.

Personally as much as I like the vintage (pre 1994) guns, the new production guns offer me nothing to like. Of course I DREAM that S&W will one day get back to their roots but I know in reality that will NEVER happen.

 

[hassiman]

Where?

Where do you purchase your pre-1994 guns?

 

[gman51]

To each his own but I will not pay for repairs covered under warranty.
It's a good thing lemons are not found often in the peach bins. I don't care what people think, old guns even back in the old so called quality days had a few lemons in the boxes. Funny how people talk about how great the old guns were but then talk about how some old models didn't hold up to what they were built for. I find nothing about my new 627-5 lacking in quality.

 

[Cobbler]

Too bad that the only posts about current S&W quality are when someone gets a lemon. Five out of the last six that I've purchased were just fine. The one I sent back came home in perfect condition.

Compare that to the last three cars I bought. I'm still getting recall notices on the newest one that was bought eleven years ago.

Unfortunately four of the last six I purchased had to go back for something. One had to go back twice until I was satisfied.

 

[RubenZ]

Or it was a bad lot. Either way they've had issues before. Not the first time and not the last.

Their 556 rifles were a disaster. High stress parts that needed to be hardened steel were made of aluminum or plastic , canted rails, canted sights.

Don't confuse Sig German/Swiss with Sig USA. Essentially Theo different companies



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SIG already came out saying they were surprised by this lawsuit as they have been working with NJ to fix the problem. They found that when using some of the guns in question with the TRAINING AMMO they were getting these problems but with their DUTY ammo weren't.

Sig Sauer Responds To New Jersey State Police Lawsuit - The Firearm BlogThe Firearm Blog


As for S&W NONE and I repeat non of the Guns( M&P 45, M&P Shield, 686, 29-10 and an older 28-2) from S&W I have purchased in the the present and past have had issues.

 

[cowboy4evr]

And then there was the " fiasco " with the first Ruger Redhawks . The barrels literally fell off when they were fired . Who remembers the Chevy Corvairs ? The last production unit had to be pushed off the assembly line cause it wouldn't start . Sometimes we have to take a car back to the dealer several times to fix a problem . I have had to return a revolver to Smith twice only one time . I have purchased over a half dozen new Smiths in the last 10 yrs , revolvers and a couple of semi auto's . I have had NO issues with any . I stand by S&W , Sig Sauer , Ruger for building quality products . If any of you are not happy with their products/ work , buy some where else . It's just that simple .

 

[amazingflapjack]

a long time gone

 

[chief38]

hassiman:

We have a LGS not too far away that only deals in trade-in revolvers to make Auto loader sales. They have no interest in the old wheel guns and they blow them out as fast as possible. The average price for a K frame is usually under $400 regardless of what the condition is. I have bought NIB guns for $375 (inc. the box and tools) and they will have another gun of the same model next to it beat up, no box, nothing ... for the same price! CRAZY isn't it!? They just want hem out the door and since they usually never pay the seller anymore than $50 - $75 for the gun (regardless of condition) they simply do not care.

I hope they never start getting into the old Smiths...........

 

[Rustypipes12]

Hassimen, I have two pre 94' model 29s, one was purchased at a gun show, and the 2nd gen from the 70's I recently bought from my neighborhood gun store (and paid full price!).

 

[77Fair]

This is endemic of manufacturing in this country as talented, well trained people leave the workforce, and what I affectionately call "button pushers" take their place running automated, cnc controlled machines that spit out parts that are all the same, right or wrong. Just because a company is ISO-9000/9001 certified doesn't make the products coming out the door, quality products.
Now I don't know anything about the Smith and Wesson facilities, or their employees. I do know what I have observed in the past 37 years in industry in general, and the trend isn't good.

 

[JHB51]

This is endemic of manufacturing in this country as talented, well trained people leave the workforce, and what I affectionately call "button pushers" take their place running automated, cnc controlled machines that spit out parts that are all the same, right or wrong. Just because a company is ISO-9000/9001 certified doesn't make the products coming out the door, quality products.
Now I don't know anything about the Smith and Wesson facilities, or their employees. I do know what I have observed in the past 37 years in industry in general, and the trend isn't good.

Isn't this the truth. Retired tool maker here. I remember when new Colt Python went for $200.00. My best guess if the Python was still made today the cost would make a Wilson supper grade 1911 look cheap. A long way off from the price of a shield, M&P, or any S&W steel frame revolver made today.

 

[vytoland]

things created by humans are often imperfect...........S&W warranty program fixes those mistakes.....

 

[ladder13]

Where's that thread with all the brand new 70s revolvers being sent to back to the factory from police departments due to major issues! You know, the ones that were from the era of great quality

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Those guys are driving Corvairs.

 

[bigpappa160]

My Model 60 that I got a couple of weeks ago had a canted barrel plus the front sight was off, I was considering taking it to a gunsmith but I was like I paid good money for this revolver I chose, which I did about 3 weeks of research on revolver. It was the SW, Taurus and the Ruger, I knew the problem with the canted barrel, Taurus and Ruger had it flaws also. So I myself rolled the dice hoping I'd not get a revolver with a canted barrel, but I did, so I called SW 2 times, the 2nd time got a shipping label and instructions on how to ship it, took it to FEDEX and it was delivered on 18 May, but just got to repair shop today via customer rep, so maybe it will come back straight along with the front sight being straight.

 

[JohnSW]

On youtube Iraqveteran8888 recently reviewed a S&W Model 66 Combat Magnum, and his came with a "very, very, nasty burr" on the muzzle. (8:00 on the video)

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4pCqA2Zf-g[/ame]

 

[Engineer1911]

I'm a perfectionist. I expect a barrel correctly aligned to the frame, not clocked at 10 or 2, and square to the frame. Barrel /cylinder gap is per specification, a reasonable trigger pull, and square front sight.

S&W invested in CNC machining centers to produce accurate parts that did not require hand fitting to assemble a functioning revolver. Perhaps the assembly has a couple weak spots.

 

[hassiman]

Canted barrel/crooked sight

Mine had a canted barrel because the guy that milled the front sight slot milled it improperly. They probably canted the barrel to make the front sight look better. Mine also had the hole in the frame for the barrel mis-milled so that the barrel isn't exactly 90 degrees to the frame. Only way to tell if yours has that problem is to have a gunsmith remove the barrel.
There is no way that gun should have left the factory. No way they didn't know.

 

[dswancutt]

Another reason I will never buy a Smith & Wesson gun that is not at least 30 years old.

Funny, my 624 is the worst looking revolver I own. Grind marks, wavy metalwork, etc. Yet my 610, 625-4, 657-3, 629-5, 986, and 617-6 are equal if not better in quality than my 70's revolvers, but not quite as good as my pre model number n frames.
I do hate the billboard size caliber marking on my 617 though.