Smith & Wesson factory repair issue

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I just had a rather big disappointment involving a S&W repair. Although there is probably nothing that can be done to correct this situation, I just want to see if anyone else has had the same experience and perhaps I just want to vent. This is the 2nd experience that I've had with a S&W repair.
Last year I acquired a model 34-1 revolver manufactured in the 1970's that was described as new, in it's original serial numbered box, with original packaging materials (tools, paperwork, etc.). Like most people, I'm skeptical of claims of "new" and "never fired except factory test firing" because those claims can't be proven or verified. However, after receiving and examining this gun I began to believe that this gun had not been used or even handled since leaving the factory about 1977. The cylinder had no turn ring and all the tools and paper work appeared to be unhandled. It was like it had been in a time capsule.
However, upon opening and closing the cylinder I noticed that the cylinder was stiff or binding when closing and the thumb latch was stiff and scratchy. I cleaned and oiled the gun and continued to work the thumb latch and cylinder. The thumb latch began to move smoothly and normally and the cylinder improved greatly but not 100 percent. I attributed this stiffness to the gun not being used for many years and possibly the factory lubrication drying up. I then shot about 200 rounds through the gun to see how the gun worked and to see if the last tiny bit of stiffness in the cylinder would go away completely. It didn't. I seriously considered allowing the gun to remain in this condition but eventually decided to send it to S&W for evaluation and repair. S&W sent a shipping label with packing instructions that stated that the gun should be securely sent back in it's original box via Federal Express. Per the instructions I packed the gun in it's original box (without the tools and paperwork) and wrapped the original box in many layers of bubble wrap then securely packed the bubble wrapped contents into a larger box and shipped it via Federal Express. That was mid January and I received the repaired gun back yesterday. It took about 6 weeks which I feel is very reasonable especially since they didn't charge me for the repair. This surprised me because I'm not the original owner but it was probably a very minor repair or adjustment. However, the disappointing ending to this story is the gun was returned in a plain cardboard box rather than the original box. The original box with matching serial number is missing without explaination. I would think that the gunsmiths and others who process these repairs would know the importance of an original box and take care not to lose or damage it. I have since sent an e mail to S&W expressing my concern and disappointment but I don't expect to get the box back. As I said at the beginning, I just want to pass this experience on to others who may be interested. Thanks for reading.
S.K.
 
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Well, I would have never sent them the original box. I certainly would not expect the them understand the importance of it. The gun and box are older than some of the people working there, and these older guns ain't their bread and butter. They probably just misplaced it, and I'm sure they don't care.

Us folks with the older guns need to realize it's not the same company it was. Whether it's cars, computers, or guns, I rely VERY heavily upon myself so solve my maintenance issues. I've been disappointed too many times. Heck, I can screw things up for free. I don't need to pay someone to screw it up.

Next time you have an issue with the cylinder, just remove the little frame screw forward of the trigger, open the action, slide the cylinder and yoke assembly off the frame, and begin your inspection. Leave the folks in Massachusetts out of it. That's my $.02 anyway, and I'm very sorry those clowns lost your original box. Even though it's not my issue, it's very annoying just to know it happened.
 
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I have never had this issue, but based upon your advice, if I have to return an older revolver, I would rather lose bubble wrap or a zipper rug than the original box. Thank you for the post.
 
I hate to burst your bubble, but there is no manufacturer I know of that will store and inventory the packaging a gun was returned for service in. NEVER send original boxes, documents, custom parts, cases, etc with a gun sent for service, they will be thrown away. Your mistake, should have asked first, they would have (should have) told you about this if you had!
 
Original box

I agree there is no reason to assume the Smith and Wesson would return the old box but you'd hope maybe there'd be SOMEONE still working there who would recognize the value and return it along with the gun.

Or maybe they're all youngsters and haven't a clue, who knows?
 
I use a $10.00 hard side plastic pistol case from the gun store with my name, phone number and ser # of the enclosed gun attached via a label maker. They ship the gun back in the same case and if they don't it's just a $10 case. By the way it fits perfectly in a Fed Ex box.
 
It says very clearly in the instructions that came with the shipping label to send it back in the factory box. The following is copied and pasted from those instructions. "Put your firearm in the factory box or a sturdy cardboard box with cushioning." I sent a mod 63 in for repair last year and it came back with the same box. If they didn't request that the gun be sent in the factory box I probably wouldn't have sent it that way but since they suggest you use the factory box I would normally conclude that they intend to return it. After the fact it's easy to know they would lose the box but since they request that you use it I'm not going to blame myself for doing so. They're in the business and should know the importance of an original box and if they don't intend to return it they should not ask that you send the gun in it. That's how I see it.
 
Bummer about your original box!

Have you contacted S&W about the issue?

Ya' never know, you might be fortunate enough to get it back with a little prodding.

It shouldn't take prodding, though. If anything, the guy who failed to return it should be "prodded"....with about 50,000 volts.
 
It says very clearly in the instructions that came with the shipping label to send it back in the factory box. The following is copied and pasted from those instructions. "Put your firearm in the factory box or a sturdy cardboard box with cushioning." I sent a mod 63 in for repair last year and it came back with the same box. If they didn't request that the gun be sent in the factory box I probably wouldn't have sent it that way but since they suggest you use the factory box I would normally conclude that they intend to return it. After the fact it's easy to know they would lose the box but since they request that you use it I'm not going to blame myself for doing so. They're in the business and should know the importance of an original box and if they don't intend to return it they should not ask that you send the gun in it. That's how I see it.


Ya, if I was you, I wouldn't take any responsibility either..... I mean, just because it said "or a study cardboard box with cushioning"... I would focus on the original box... I mean really, you're calling them stupid, when the reality, you weren't so bright either. I hate to sound like this, but then you sound like that when you refer to S&W.. Obviously, the main intent of the instructional letter was to protect the gun during shipping, they know their original box does that... it's a form letter pertaining to their guns in general, not a possibly collectable gun and box... man up, take some responsibility and hopefully if you give them the chance, maybe your box will be returned..

Also, there is no mention of the condition of the box, which makes me wonder... and did they pay for the shipping and repair, or did you.. so we've heard the negative side of your experience, was there any positive besides the quick turn around?
 
I feel your loss

However, no repair department is in the business of preserving what an owner might consider collectible. In your letter, did you remember to ask for the return of the original packaging material? The repair department's job is to repair.

Almost every manufacturer of anything...cameras, cell phones, computers, tools, coffee makers, etc.......tells you not to send accessories or anything that can be misplaced when shipping a repaired item.

They tell you this because your shipment is handled by many, many people.

The guy who opens the box to decide what dept it goes to, the guy that moves it to that department. the guy that logs it in, the guy that works on it, the guy that inspects the work, the guy that invoice the work and sends it to shipping, the guy that carries it to shipping, the guy that boxes it up to be shipped out.

Even if every one of those employees was as big a collector as the members of this Forum and wanted to help you preserve your box, what if one has a bad day? Fight with the wife? Slips and drops the box he intended to save into a puddle of oil? Perhaps one of the guys that handles your firearm is on his first day and does not know how obsessive collectors can get, or worse it is his last day and he does not care. Or one of a hundred other things that can happen in a several hundred thousand square foot facility on a 15+ acre compound.

Even if it was the intent of the Factory to preserve your collectible box, the odds are still stacked against you.

I would have taken the tags advice and used a sturdy cardboard box with cushioning
 
Ya, if I was you, I wouldn't take any responsibility either..... I mean, just because it said "or a study cardboard box with cushioning"... I would focus on the original box... I mean really, you're calling them stupid, when the reality, you weren't so bright either. I hate to sound like this, but then you sound like that when you refer to S&W.. Obviously, the main intent of the instructional letter was to protect the gun during shipping, they know their original box does that... it's a form letter pertaining to their guns in general, not a possibly collectable gun and box... man up, take some responsibility and hopefully if you give them the chance, maybe your box will be returned..

Also, there is no mention of the condition of the box, which makes me wonder... and did they pay for the shipping and repair, or did you.. so we've heard the negative side of your experience, was there any positive besides the quick turn around?
I wouldn't call 6 weeks a quick turn around.
I'd like to know if anyone else sent in an original box and did not get it back... sounds like someone screwed up and I would call them out on it. Factory needs to" man up" as you call it.
 
I sent my guns to them in the factory boxes & they returned everything back to me. If S&W doesn't think they can keep track of a gun & it's factory box, they shouldn't tell you to use it to ship it back. If you assume they can't keep track of the serialized box, then why should you assume they can keep track of a serialized gun?

I realize "stuff" happens but if the gun & box got separated wouldn't someone be considerate enough to look up the SN# on the box in the system & get it paired up with the gun, or back to the sender, once found? It's not like it got abduced by aliens? And if the box got destroyed by some strange accident, they could just tell you the truth, cause "stuff" happens.
 
I have e mailed S&W but I'm not optimistic that I'll get it back. As far as my responsibility goes I believe that I was naive to assume that the box would be returned with the gun simply because they suggest you use the factory box. But what if the entire gun got lost? I'm sure there are those who would say that I shouldn't have sent it if it was that valuable. Once again to those who feel that it's my fault, yes I was naive to assume that the box would be returned with the gun when I could have just as easily sent it in different box. Lesson learned.
 
I have e mailed S&W but I'm not optimistic that I'll get it back. As far as my responsibility goes I believe that I was naive to assume that the box would be returned with the gun simply because they suggest you use the factory box. But what if the entire gun got lost? I'm sure there are those who would say that I shouldn't have sent it if it was that valuable. Once again to those who feel that it's my fault, yes I was naive to assume that the box would be returned with the gun when I could have just as easily sent it in different box. Lesson learned.

So how about the rest of the info... condition of box, cost of shipping and repair?........
 
It says very clearly in the instructions that came with the shipping label to send it back in the factory box. The following is copied and pasted from those instructions. "Put your firearm in the factory box or a sturdy cardboard box with cushioning." ...

Simple misunderstanding.

The instructions are to make sure the owner/shipper uses an appropriate carton to properly contain the firearm. Note the language "or a sturdy cardboard box with cushioning", which certainly gave you an option for returning the firearm in a different box, if the original factory box had value to you.

Cross your fingers they may not have tossed the box yet.
 
So how about the rest of the info... condition of box, cost of shipping and repair?........

The box was in excellent condition. It was originally going to be a cash non warranty repair. On Feb. 13 (about 2 weeks prior to receiving the gun) I requested an update on the status of the repair and they responded that it was a charge basis repair and an estimate would be sent to me in a couple of months. Then on the 27th I surprisingly received a shipping notice for delivery on the 28th. On the inside lid of the box "repaired bind n/c" was hand written. I don't know what changed the charge basis repair to a no charge repair. I would think they would at least charge for shipping but I'm suspecting that it may have something to do with the lost box. I was fully prepared to pay for the repair and would prefer to pay for the repair rather than lose the box. As I mentioned earlier, I have an e mail into S&W so I should be hearing back from them in about a week.
 
The box was in excellent condition. It was originally going to be a cash non warranty repair. On Feb. 13 (about 2 weeks prior to receiving the gun) I requested an update on the status of the repair and they responded that it was a charge basis repair and an estimate would be sent to me in a couple of months. Then on the 27th I surprisingly received a shipping notice for delivery on the 28th. On the inside lid of the box "repaired bind n/c" was hand written. I don't know what changed the charge basis repair to a no charge repair. I would think they would at least charge for shipping but I'm suspecting that it may have something to do with the lost box. I was fully prepared to pay for the repair and would prefer to pay for the repair rather than lose the box. As I mentioned earlier, I have an e mail into S&W so I should be hearing back from them in about a week.


:):):) what a great company!! 40 years old gun.... REPAIRED AND SHIPPING FREE!!!
 
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