Sneaky Pete

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I worked on a report and follow up investigation recently on a gentleman who lost his gun because he broke a cardinal rule in concealed carry . . . he took his gun off his person and left it unsecured.

The short version is he carries a Ruger 380 in a Sneaky Pete holster. Apparently, at times it gouges into his waistline, or as he put it to me, it pokes him in the gut. He and his wife were returning home from a trip and stopped at a local grocery store to pick up a few items before they went home. As the gentleman was pushing the grocery cart through the store, ol' Sneaky Pete got to irritating him so he takes it off and lays it in the child seat of the grocery cart. That's the last time he remembers seeing it until he missed it when he pulls up in the driveway at home.

In a panic, he zooms back to the grocery store where probably about 20-25 minutes had passed. The grocery cart is where he left it in the parking lot, but it's empty. He goes into the store and finds the store manager and (to his embarrassment) explains the situation. Manager checks, but no one has turned anything in. At that point he immediately contacts the police and since it's actually in the county we get the call.

I sat down with the gentleman to work up the report. He's no fruitcake, he's retired military and owns a small business. In visiting with him I determined he's a gun guy. He knows he screwed up big time and told me so. It was obvious he was ashamed at himself for making such a knucklehead mistake. Once I got the report information and his statement for the report I told him we would go check the store surveillance system and see what we could find.

I'd worked with this particular grocery store before and knew they had an above average camera system and their store manager knew how to use it. After a bit we were able to track the gentleman and his wife as they left the store, watched them load their groceries in their car, she moved the grocery cart aside, and as they drove off you could plainly see ol' Sneaky Pete still in the child seat on the grocery cart.

We continued to watch the video keeping an eye on the cart. About seven minutes later, after several people had walked within arms reach of the grocery cart, a woman who looked to be mid 30's walked by and obviously saw the item in the cart. She stopped and looked at it without touching it, looked all around, then reached in and snagged it and put it in her purse. I suspect she thought it was a cell phone. She then walked over to her car and got in and drove off. With a little more video detective work I believe we have enough information to identify her.

Even though the guy was already beating himself up over the issue, I told him concealed carry is a serious responsibility and he screwed up . . . carelessness can get someone hurt or killed. To his credit, he said he wasn't concerned about getting his gun back, he just didn't want to end up in the wrong hands.


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Just waiting for the day I find someones pistol. So far only a holster for a Beretta 92.
 
As a young boy, I was learnt that if ya find something you try to return it to the owner. Applying that moral code... if ya find a gun best take reasonable steps to find the owner else be afoul of the law.

As a young man, I was learnt that if you carry a gun keep it holstered and on your person.
 
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It's like finding a billfold, you open it up and see if you can see a name to contact the owner. When she opened it and found it was a firearm she should have called police. That's the right thing to do, but it seems right is wrong and wrong is right these days.

Have a blessed day,

Leon
 
ok please can you say what happened. its killin me slow.
i have to say very stressful situation all around. nascar drivers get into accidents, range officers have accidental discharge or negligent depending what side of the fence your on and so on. no excuses but it happens. hate to see the guy get into trouble. i dont belive he wears sandals and can walk on water. my 2cents.
by the way, my cc holster never comes off of me at all until i get home and when going to the restroom i have it between my legs.
 
Well, I had a captive audience and his actions didn't deserve coddling.

i agree no coddling at all. i do agree with you.
but you know by your description of him he will beat himself up over it till the rest of time.
 
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Yes, it's our procedure to do so.

Faulkner--you got me curious--I think tt's Theft of Property under AR law.

"(a) A person commits theft of property if he or she knowingly:

(1) Takes or exercises unauthorized control over. . . the property of another person, with the purpose of depriving the owner of the property[.]"

I just saw there is an enhancement to a Class C felony if it's a firearm.

I believe it's unauthorized control, whether one steals it from drilling a safe or out of a shopping cart.
 
This-
§ 3924. Theft of property lost, mislaid, or delivered by mistake.

A person who comes into control of property of another that he knows to have been lost, mislaid, or delivered under a mistake as to the nature or amount of the property or the identity of the recipient is guilty of theft if, with intent to deprive the owner thereof, he fails to take reasonable measures to restore the property to a person entitled to have it.

Pennsylvania Crimes Code
 
Follow up on the "finder": now it's in the system as stolen. Did she steal it? (It's stolen, but she didn't actually "steal it", did she?). If she knows she is not allowed to posses a firearm (underage, convicted felon or other reason) then I'm guessing she could face charges just for having it. What if she is legally able to possess a firearm? I think most of us would call law enforcement and turn it in (whether it was a gun, a wallet or "whatever") but I don't believe keeping something you found is illegal (firearms implications aside), is it?
 
Sneaky Pete use is not a good idea

When you wear an item like a Sneaky Pete, with "SP" in big letters it certainly would tip-off anyone gun-wise that you're carrying. I don't know what the particulars of the laws on concealed carry are everywhere but it raises questions which might well vary depending on where you are, such as: are you legally carrying concealed if the gun itself can't be seen but where a clearly-identifiable handgun holster is visible and there's a gun in it? My personal view is that open carry in most urban situations, even where legal, is a dumb idea. Why? Because many people freak out at the sight of a gun; carry a gun openly and you're saying to a bad guy or cop (who doesn't know you're a good guy) "shoot me first." Although I'm a 2nd Amendment absolutist ("shall not be infringed" PERIOD!) just because something is legal does not mean it's in your best interest to do it. In the situation being discussed, I would give all this information to the police and let them handle it. If your gun somehow ends up in the hands of a child or criminal and it's not reported you may be in a lot of trouble and end up spending thousands of dollars for your negligence. Fair? No, but that's the way it is in 2016 Amerika.
 

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