So who else had lousy parents?

There's a lot I can't say about my parents, though they are both passed on, the satute of limitations are not expired on some of their associates. My mom came off a reservation, my dad from the piney woods of east Texas. He came back from the Pacific in 46 and the world was not an easy place for him. Let's just say he was not the most easy going fellow in town. He was a nightclub owner and much more. Movies have been made about the people he worked with...
My sisters were both wonderful,kind gentlewomen. They raised good kids. It took me years to unlearn a lot of what I picked up and sometimes my old daddys attitude comes back up. My older friends who knew him point it out to me, and we get a laugh out of it, because by the grace of God, it passes.
It ain't easy growin' up in public, but it can be done. I didn't do as good a job as the OP did.
 
While I 'Liked' your post for its' brutal honesty, I could feel some heat coming thru the screen while reading it.
Some people are really strange with family. REALLY STRANGE.
I did not like my dad a lot of the time growing up. He drank too much and was prone to teeing off on me when he was in a bad mood. I have really had to work on this with my own 2 sons. I can't say I never spanked them, but I can say I never took to whipping one of them to vent my frustrations with life.
Int he end, there WERE things that I was happy to be with my father for. I did learn a lot from him. I also got to see him do the most amazing thing I have ever seen: I watched him cure his demons. And I watched him turn himself into the man he wished he was the entire time I was growing up. I saw him fail.

I watched him get up, dust himself off, and start over. I watched him become a good friend to my mom, instead of a combatant. I learned that HARD, hard men can take control of themselves, and work to get not what they want, but what their family needs.

Yes, he beat me 'till I peed myself as a kid. In fact, he did it when I was a teen. We fought once; I was 16. It was not good. Destroyed the house. It was the first time I ever fought a grown man. I did not win, but I did not lose.
But my dad sobered up, and saw what he had done. He quit drinking that day. I guess you would say that in this respect, everyone in my family won, and all it cost me was some skin off my knuckles, a few bruised ribs, a split lip, a bloody nose, and a black eye.
My dad lost his ego. And he put down his sword.
And I will say; he has been the BEST grandfather to my sons I could have ever wished for.

\For all the times as a kid I wished and prayed he would NOT come home?? He lives next door to me. He is now 71. He goes in for triple bypass surgery, and a pair of heart valves in 2 weeks. And I am terrified that he will NOT come home. Him??? To Vern, this is a walk in the park. He is as cool as a beer commercial about this. He takes life for the pleasure of the day, just got back from seeing his granddaughter for a week before the surgery, and he is surveying my garden to see if he needs to go in and tidy it up for me while I am gone at work.

He was not a good guy. He was the guy who would beat up a bar full of sailors. But people can change.

I guess what I am saying is, try not to lose hope about things like this. And as a parent, do your damnest to correct the mistakes of the past generation. If you are the grandparent? Guide your children, help them to be the better parent they can be (Not make them feel bad for not being the great parent they 'should be'.)

I just knew I shoulda not clicked into this thread..........:rolleyes:

It would have been a shame had you not clicked your way into this thread, r.
I appreciate your post. You were observant and bright to interpret your Father's struggle the way you did.
You were a good son, so I have no doubt you've raised your own sons to be good fathers.
 
It will be interesting on judgement day to hear the other side of many of these storys.

Usually the term "other side" is applied to a story in which the parties with whom you are not presently conversing would tell you something different about the actions being described. It is a polite way of saying "I don't really believe that what you describe took place for the reasons you claim so I want to hear what REALLY happened." This type of skepticism and reasoning is sensible when the parties involved are all adults, but this thread is about the experiences of children.

The relationship between parents and children is not one of equals. The adult has all the responsibility in the relationship, to love the children, to raise them as they should be raised. The adult has all the power in the relationship too, as they provide where the child lives, what they eat, what they wear, and often what they do. Sadly, the adult doesn't bear all of the consequences of their errors, which further emphasizes why parenting is so important and why sometimes parents deserve every bit of the harsh criticism they get.

Regarding hearing "the other side" of my story, I would like an honest explanation in the present life and if I thought I could get one, I would seek it. But I'm not really interested in an explanation. I really just want an apology, perhaps with a little groveling. But I know what I'm going to hear:

I did the best I could.

If this isn't a cop out, then never has any existed. If these aren't weasel words demonstrating that the parent hasn't worked on any of the selfish flaws that underpinned their bad behavior to their kids, then may a wolverine (the largest member of the weasel family and my arch enemy) eat this Buckeye in tiny, torturous bites on cold November Saturday afternoons.

Let's illustrate the utter ricidulousness of this cop out. BTW, these are fictitious; none happened to me.

When you got drunk and beat a child savagely for not picking up their socks, were you doing your best?

When you failed to stock your house with food and your children went hungry, were you doing your best?

When you went to the bar or club instead of helping your struggling child with their math homework, were you doing your best?

When you verbally denigrated your child in front of his peers or other adults, were you doing your best?

When you forced your children to do all the household chores while you sat on your butt doing nothing, were you doing your best?

When you knew you should have apologized to your child for a wrong committed against them, but instead you bit your lip and continued your gruff ways, were you doing your best?

And now, the real kicker... When you were doing all these things, under what circumstances did you actually think you were doing your best? Were you really so dumb (or intoxicated) that you were unaware that you were making a mistake?

See how absurd that sounds? I don't give any lousy parent a pass for "I did my best" because as a parent, *I* certainly know as soon as I err that I have erred, and usually beforehand. If I know it, then I know my parents knew it too.

A couple weeks ago I lost my temper with one of my sons. I hollered at him and said some things I regretted (benign compared to some of the tales in this thread). After I cooled off, I realized that my conduct was not becoming of the man I want to be nor of the man I want him to become. I had wronged him so I apologized to him and I told him that I loved him and that I would try to do better. Erring is not my "best" and my apology is merely trying to be "better". But you won't hear me telling my kids "I did my best" when we talk about the rotten things I did. Instead, I hope you'll hear me apologize and proclaim my love for them, because that's what the people in a relationship do when they have greater responsibility and superior power.
 
It would have been a shame had you not clicked your way into this thread, r.
I appreciate your post. You were observant and bright to interpret your Father's struggle the way you did.
You were a good son, so I have no doubt you've raised your own sons to be good fathers.

Thanks. My sons do not have kids- yet. They saw my ex wife and I struggle, and I know it affects kids. It sure affected me. I like to think that Shellie and I did a pretty good job; in retrospect, she did a really good job considering the hunk of clay I am to work with.......:rolleyes:
Though we are no longer married, we were together from 1986 until 2009. I was 16 when we met. It was a great run, and we are good friends now that the dust has settled. This...THIS was the best thing my father ever showed me. He and my mom used to battle. It was really, really tense many times as a kid. But once my dad decided he was changing? He sure did. And he is a great friend, and a caring protector of my mom's interests though they are no longer together. They did not fall back in love, but they have a great respect and understanding for what they did together. They are both happy people.
The girl I have been with has had a hard time reconciling my work to be the same kind of man to my ex. But the effort makes for more harmony with my sons, as well as with my ex. Lemme tell you, I know plenty of guys who despise and have vile feelings toward their ex wives. Their kids are the ones who suffer.
I suffered as a kid.

I can be the cruelest person I have ever seen.

My own mother and ex wife BOTH told me this on different occasions. Stuff like that really makes you think. I guess you could say I have developed a weapon as a self defense mechanism.
I pray I did not pass this on to my sons. I don't want them to go through what I did.

If dad gave me one thing..... he gave me some THICK skin. While I don't recommend it for most folks...... it has served me well many times, a few of which it saved my life and the lives of others. But it's not the most comfortable skin to have.

On the plus side, my dad taught me to fish, and hunt. These were the ONLY two things in life that taught me any patience. Without fishing??? I would be either dead or in jail, waiting to die.
God bless my dad for that!:D
 
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I had great parents.....could not have asked for any better. I tried to be a great parent and my children turned out to be great parents.
 
My parents wernt 'bad' they just didnt do parents - kids things so i felt more babysitted than anything. We would take vacations sometimes but overall my dad didnt play sports with me nor take interest in anything i was into....you know ...father/son time. We never played catch or go fishing or shooting. His idea of father/son time was for me to sit quietly while he watched hockey. Eventually he tried to bond, talking about girls and drugs and stuff you talk to your son about as he's growing up, but by that time i was 18-20 years old and had enough friends and wasnt looking for any more. I see my dad often but we dont talk much....not much in common. We could be in the same house for a week and only say "hey" every so often. Within the last few years he tried to get me to go with him to a bar for a beer or to his local poker game. After much nagging i finally gave up and went to a bar with him. We ordered and just sat there with nothing to say. After that i was done. I know what he's trying to do but im not 10 anymore and dont need a father figure. I learned about life without his help or guidance. To be fair he was and is a nice man, just not much of a father.

My mom was better but also not much time for my sister and I. No one had time or desire for us to do anything or go anywhere. My summers and school vacations were limited to going to a friend's house down the street. Once they did what i wanted and signed me up for minor league baseball but no one could ever drive me so i had to find rides which ment i played only a few games.

It didnt help that my parents are immigrants and thought a lot of things were "dumb".

My childhood was not a horrible one, there many kids who had it worse, it was just not much of a childhood unless you consider tv and monopoly with your sister fun. They did sign me up for an away camp once. I spent 2 months in the mountains of Monticello NY. That was fun but looking back at it it was more of a "get him out of our hair for the summer"

When i became a teen my dad got real strict. I wasnt allowed out late if at all because he was afraid that everyone would have a negative influence on me. Made for a very awkward high school years. No proms, no nothing. Weekends home by 9, 10 at the latest.

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Arik, you wouldnt happen to be russian? you just described my life to the T. i mean EVERYTHING is identical.
 
When I said I would like to see the other side of the story on judgement day I wasnt saying I thought every story here wrong but I am saying some might be. I have lived a long hard life myself and have had hard experiances. Its like the popular thinking of who gets to the cops first with their story gets a edge.
Many of these storys is about the jerk father leaveing. A lot of that is "dad" many times dont want to down their mother to them the reasons he left. On top of that I will tell you first hand that usualy the father is hit so hard by the courts with supports he has to live at work to pay them and eat.
That doesnt leave much time for visitation especialy when the ex moves a long distance away. Its like they hear but yet they dont.
There are no absolutes on general talk here on whos right or wrong but I will say many times and ALL the time I am sure the complaining offspring doesnt have all the facts. 9 times out of 10 the kids go with the mother and the kids are subject a 100% of the time to hearing her storys about her sorry ex. I got the shirt.
I am positive the demon father could give a few facts that just might muddy opinions.
 
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Best advice in many of these situations is:
BUILD A BRIDGE....AND GET OVER IT!

take it easy high-speed.

sometimes childhood abuse and or neglect unfortunately jeopardizes an adults life. many young 18yr olds run from crappy families and get married quickly, join the military, or drop out of schools, use drugs, or simply make bad choices.

that unfortunately often times sets those young adults for a future they never wished for (criminal records, lack of education, lack of savings, etc ). CASE IN POINT: my best friend, at 19 married the first guy she saw just to get away from her abusive, alcoholic father & doormat of a mother. she regrets HAVING to make that choice. 13-14yrs later, in her early 30's she regrets her poor choices and regrets where her life is- all because her father was a scumbag. she knew she had no other choice. she knew her only way out was to quickly get hitched. now she is slowly trying to rebuild her life. imagine not having dating experience, imagine not having enough experience to know how a man should treat his wife/kids, simply starting over. you think its easy? you think its simply just "getting over" past issues? ITS CURRENT ISSUES PAL.

so dont be so quick to think that "whats in the past is in the past" - because very often "whats in the past, is also the reason for the current". so getting OVER is impossible if you wake up everyday and think "if only my parent(s) loved me more, i wouldn't be where i am at today". and very often, you are over the childhood abuse/neglect- but the young adult years that was pissed away (by running away) is what keeps you angry as an adult.

i admire your encouragement, but dont think its so easy just to drop everything TODAY and build a bridge and get of it, as you say.
 
Thanks for your comments Tuna. Your point is exactly why I prefaced my advice with: "...in MANY of these situations". There is obviously no easy solution to all dysfunctional situations. However, perpetuating poor decisions is rarely a good solution.

In my more than 3/4 of a century I have seen many of these problems, both professionally and socially. In too many instances the estrangement ends with the death of one of the involved individuals. Almost without exception in these cases, I have heard regrets that an opportunity to "mend fences and understand" was forever missed. That guilt is simply piled on top of the underlying cause.

Bob
 
DAD: according to pictures, when i was a baby, he loved me and was really intrigued with me (as every father should be).
after the age of about 8 he never played with me. he only made attempts to spend time with me, when my mother insisted on it; which was once per year if that. i could tell it was fake, and limited. the promises to further the fun times, never came true. i remember he once suggested we build a small wooden bird house. we never hung it. he broke it and threw it out a few weeks later. (claimed it was taking too much room in the garage). idk why, but that burned into my brain.

5th-8th grade, the physical abuse began:
bad grades turned into belt beatings.(which was every friday)
helping me with math homework turned into psychological torment/ verbal abuse/ and sometimes physical abuse. (WHILE MY MOTHER DID NOTHING ABOUT IT)

Around the age of 14ish is where i started answering back, questioning the "NO's", and making small decisions on my own that he disagreed with. He realized it was hard work to raise a teen, and simply (emotionally) walked away. we could walk past one another 50 times per day, and the only things he would say is:
  • 1. your hair looks stupid.
  • 2. your breath smells (its funny now, but it sucked then lol)
  • 3. you are dressed like an idiot
  • 4. make sure you dont do anything stupid today.

around 16, i started having friends with cars coming over. since i was the only one who had a private driveway & garage, we loved to tinker with their cars at my house (friends lived in apt's). Typical young guy stuff you know: radios, lights, rims, car washes, etc. every-time he would come home from work, he would rip me up about it, right in front of my friends. he basically forced us to leave; without outright saying it.
when i turned 17, and he gave me his old car to use as my own - i wanted to tinker with it. he never helped, never encouraged me, and always yelled at me for it. i had to hide at my GF's house in order to tinker with my car. if he found out i did something, i got yelled at for wasting money (that i earned by working by the way!). every job i heald after high-school was not good enough. they demanded i find a job with good pay, growth potential, and medical benefits. they pestered me every time they saw me either leaving for a job, or coming home from one. it enraged me. i was 19- *** do you want!??

fast forward a few years later, and i got picked up to extradite prisoners/fugitives for the local P.O. office. i worked around 80 hours per week just to stay out of the house. i traveled all across the country and brought back inmates with warrants from our local jurisdiction. i would come home often with no sleep for 3-4 days and would fall into my bed hoping to not be disturbed. he'd wake me up at 7am for leaving my shoes by the door (that i left to air out after wearing them for 3-4 days).
he's wake me up for sleeping to long (i didnt sleep for days!!!)
he'd wake me up because i parked too close to the mail box, etc. long story short, i joined the army just to get away from it all.
shortly there afterwards, i found the first girl i could (7yrs older than i) and moved out. i hated every day of it. she was lazy, no good, broad that wasted my time & money. my dad refused to even donate $10 to help me, even buy a bed.

whatever, now we speak seldom; UNLESS HE NEEDS ME TO FIX SOMETHING OR DIAGNOSE SOMETHING IN HIS CARS!!! THE ONLY TIME HE SPEAKS TO ME IS WHEN HE NEEDS MY MECHANICAL SKILLS THAT HE HIMSELF DISCOURAGED! (thankfully i never stopped working on cars. i can do pretty much anything aside from tranny work)

MOTHER: was always a manipulative, borderline nutso. she worked a lot, but also overly exhausted herself to the point where her nerves were so stressed that if i left a fingerprint on the coffee table - id get beat (literally). she released all her stress on me, instead of addressing her martial issues with HIM!

i did bad in school because i hated life. i hated my home. i hated my parents. i clung to my high-school GF's because their family lives was an amazing concept for me. stress free family dinners, family movie nights, family board games, family weekend local-trips, etc. it was all alien to me. my family didnt do much together unless it was a holiday we had to attend.
Well bad grades led to bad behavior. luckily i NEVER used drugs.

today me and my parents do get along but it has to be simple convos. the minute we spend more than an hour together, tensions rise. me and dad can go for hours and not talk- unless we are bashing liberals (no offense guys lol). The biggest gripe they have with me, is that i have too tough of a personality. they dont like that i rough around the edges, and can easily say things to them- most kids dont have the heart to tell their parents.

oh well... they get no sympathy from me. YES they did put a roof over my head, and fed me. but thats their job. they dont get credit for doing their job. thats like an employee asking for a raise because he shows up on time.... ahuh- good-luck with that. i love my family. i protect them the best i can. i suggest everything i can to make their life easier. i would give my life for theirs in a heart beat. it hurts, but thats life. i did build a bridge and got over it. i try. they try. but we simply have to maintain a little distance if you know what i mean.
 
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Dang, its gotta be a E. European thing. I can see a lot of my friends dads in your post.

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So, who's parents were perfect? None of them were. I haven't been a perfect parent and neither have any of you. There really are two sides of the story and sometimes things happen that are just plain wrong. My folks divorced when I was 8 and they both made mistakes and some of what they did was self centered. But I've come to realize that they had a life too. They weren't self sacrificing robots that no longer had feelings or desires. They were humans - that made mistakes - just like all of us. Some of you have no idea what kind of life your folks went through and while that isn't an excuse for poor parenting it should help us to temper our opinion / judgment of them. When I was a young man it used to anger me that my folks didn't help us much financially. There were tough times and we had a large family. But we eventually learned to pull ourselves up by the bootstraps and make our way. You've got to make your own way in this world and luck is spelt WORK. Part of that is moving on and not being a victim. Easier said than done I know,,but regardless of where and what you've come from - You still have choices to make.
 
I sincerely feel for all those that had bad parents. Walt Disney and Norman Rockwell could not sit down and design a better child hood than I had. We weren't rich by any means but my parents were the very best.

My wife had a horrible childhood and a cruel vicious father. From her experiences in all that I do believe that I can empathize with the victims of bad parenting.

They say that adversity builds character and strength but still, I know that it's no fun to be a child in a home with no love, no security, no comfort and have to live in constant fear.

I'm sayin' a prayer for the comfort and peace of mind for all those that are victims of a bad childhood. God bless.........
 
Dang, its gotta be a E. European thing. I can see a lot of my friends dads in your post.
my co-worker and i laugh, when we share our childhood stories because its so identical to one another. he's from Ukraine and has had an identical life, and identical results in his current day life.

we both came to the conclusion that we are not the only ones, and its gotta be the UTOPIAN SOCIALIST(sarcasm) society our parents lived in, that made them this way.

pizdets...
 
my co-worker and i laugh, when we share our childhood stories because its so identical to one another. he's from Ukraine and has had an identical life, and identical results in his current day life.

we both came to the conclusion that we are not the only ones, and its gotta be the UTOPIAN SOCIALIST(sarcasm) society our parents lived in, that made them this way.

pizdets...

Well they wanted everyone to be the same.....so here we are!

Im Ukrainian/Moldovan

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Well they wanted everyone to be the same.....so here we are!

Im Ukrainian/Moldovan

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my mom is Moldavian and dad is Ukrainian lol i was born in Chisinau (keshinoff)
 
my mom is Moldavian and dad is Ukrainian lol i was born in Chisinau (keshinoff)

Dude!!! My parents are opposite of yours. Born in the same city! What are the odds!

A few blocks up from lake komsomolskaya, street Krasnoyarskaya.....if you know/remember the area.

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