SOLID see through mounts

[hillbillydruggist]

here is my situation. I have bolts, lever, semi, single shots. my deer stand is situated so I either get a 15 yd shot by my feeder, or on the other side it is a 200 yd shot.
so I have a need for a very solid see thru mount, my past experience with a couple of brands proved to be real flimsy, any suggestions?

 

[Protocall_Design]

Carry a revolver and a rifle.

 

[hillbillydruggist]

Carry a revolver and a rifle.

i thought about that, but I don't have a carry piece that would be big enough

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

i thought about that, but I don't have a carry piece that would be big enough

So you're looking on this forum for a way to get out of buying a new gun? Good luck, Mr. Gorsky.

 

[fishcreekrim]

Shoot over the scope at point blank range, I don't consider see thru mounts a viable idea. Scopes allow precise shooting but proper check weld is critical. Point blank is point blank, 200 yards requires proper technique.

 

[kscharlie]

IMO, see-through mounts are problematic. You can get a good cheek weld while looking through them to use the iron sights, but you have to raise your cheek nearly off the stock to use the scope. This situation introduces the distinct possibility for poor accuracy. For me, a much better option would be a new scope, preferably something like a 1x-4x variable, or even a 1.5x-5x. Place the scope on the lowest setting which will allow you to easily find the deer at 15 yards, but if you need to shoot at one 200 yards away, a quick turn of the eyepiece will let you get on that 200 yard deer.

Just a thought.

 

[Bill Bates]

As others have said, a nice variable powered scope is the way to go when shots can be close or far. I've never seen a see through mount that was worth using. Part of the problem is your head position needs to move either down into the stock or up off the comb to use the scope. I want my head in the same spot with the same cheek weld on the stock when I'm shooting. Having a scope mounted to high so you can't get a proper cheek weld makes being accurate hard.

If distance don't run much past 200 yards give me a Leupold VX-III 2.5-8x36 scope with a German #4 reticle. It is one of my favorite hunting scopes it is light and fits almost all situations. At 2.5 with that #4 reticle it is quick even in low light at close range. It is good enough out to 300-400 yards for hunting precision shooting.

This Kimber Montana 7mm08 wears that scope. Took this little antelope buck at 310 yards without issue. At 2.5x you can see the whole world.

 

[hardluk1]

Pick up a 2.5-10 scope like the Nikon ProStaff 7 . I have used this power range on a old rem 788 I bought in 1976 .Old bushnell still works today too . This power scope will give you a 30"+ field of few at 14 feet . I know I just check in my basement as I have the Nikon on an ar15 build .

At 15 yards see the majority or all of a deer would be easy so NO see thru mount needed , only a better scope .

I grew up hunting in and around an area of S FL called Fakahatchee Strand and your likely to never hunt in worse conditions . I could pick a gap between branches to shoot a deer at 25 feet or 40 yards or walk out the one the ole rail road grades in that swamp but peek first as you might see a deer at 200 yards + or a bear , gator on panther getting closer all the time and the snakes !! Closed to hunting for some years now but a wonderful beautiful area for the outdoors types with a camera .

 

[Fishinfool]

Never cared for see thru mounts. As others have said, you have to lift your head off the stock most of the time - not conductive to accurate shooting. A low - mid power variable power scope is a better idea.

Pictured is another solution I use on one of my AR's. A small red dot mounted on the top ring of my scope. This allows me to shoot fast close with both eyes open, head slightly raised on the comb of the stock, but still allows for use of the scope at longer ranges with a proper cheek weld. Of course, just the 2x7 scope by itself on the gun would work just as well at 15 yards. Just sight in your scope for the 200 yard shots, then shoot your gun at 15 yards to see where it hits in case that shot is offered.

What power scope are you using? Unless its something like an 18x fixed power, most scopes should work at 15 yards.

Another option would be one of the old Weaver swing away scope mounts that allow you to swing your scope to the left, and use your iron sights. I have one on my old model 70 Winchester, and it is reliable, strong, and holds zero very well.

Larry

 

[hillbillydruggist]

Never cared for see thru mounts. As others have said, you have to lift your head off the stock most of the time - not conductive to accurate shooting. A low - mid power variable power scope is a better idea.

Pictured is another solution I use on one of my AR's. A small red dot mounted on the top ring of my scope. This allows me to shoot fast close with both eyes open, head slightly raised on the comb of the stock, but still allows for use of the scope at longer ranges with a proper cheek weld. Of course, just the 2x7 scope by itself on the gun would work just as well at 15 yards.

Larry

so simple! that never crossed my mind!

thanks

 

[kraynky]

Not knowing any better, I spent the first 15 years or so deer hunting with a Marlin 30-30, see-through mounts and a Tasco 3X9X40 scope. Many a deer didn't think I could be successful with that set-up, and they were wrong.

Even one lucky shot at 300+ yards. (I admit it was pure luck, as I was holding a good 2' over her back and I hit her head while she was munching winter wheat) But I was 20 something, and didn't know I couldn't do it. I don't use them anymore, because I don't have a chance for a long shot where I hunt now.

I'm sure they were el'cheapo mounts, but they will work,........ if you don't know better.

PS: that was way before the internet was available for me to learn from, and red holographic dots were Star Trek stuff.

 

[Drm50]

I never liked see through mounts. Another choice could be a
Pivot Type mount. I'm not crazy about them either but use to
have them on Rem 742 & 760s. Weaver makes one and there are
several other more expensive ones on market. They are good for
deer rifle accuracy at 200yds.

 

[SC_Mike]

Not to be a smart*** but it sounds like you need to move your stand.

That or at 15 yards aim about 1.5 inches high.

 

[fishcreekrim]

Not knowing any better, I spent the first 15 years or so deer hunting with a Marlin 30-30, see-through mounts and a Tasco 3X9X40 scope. Many a deer didn't think I could be successful with that set-up, and they were wrong.

Even one lucky shot at 300+ yards. (I admit it was pure luck, as I was holding a good 2' over her back and I hit her head while she was munching winter wheat) But I was 20 something, and didn't know I couldn't do it. I don't use them anymore, because I don't have a chance for a long shot where I hunt now.

I'm sure they were el'cheapo mounts, but they will work,........ if you don't know better.

PS: that was way before the internet was available for me to learn from, and red holographic dots were Star Trek stuff.

What would add to the discussion for me, if you could tell us what size groups you got when you sighted this set up in.

 

[hillbillydruggist]

Not to be a smart*** but it sounds like you need to move your stand.

That or at 15 yards aim about 1.5 inches high.

it is very hard to explain the terrain

 

[hardluk1]

Hard to explain the terrain ?? Thick is thick . Picked swampy creek bottom most any where . I have listened to deer walk in dry leaves for minutes before seeing them . Heard deer walking in water , even hear water drip off there belly when the stop but never see them as they walk by then get a glimpse or two as they walk away amd maybe you can pick a shot out .

15 yards is 15 yards , no matter that back ground is you can see a lot of deer with a 2.5 power level of a 2.5-10 scope . I just measure out 10 yards thru part of my basement and I can see 5 feet of wall at 10 yards . Wake up go find some respectable scopes to check out .



Does this pass for thick enough - These video's shows some of the area were I spent a lot of my free time when I was in my teens thru late 20's before hunting was closed . Full of bear deer gators snakes and a few panthers back then , many more cats today and its both wet and dry in there . There were around 15 camps in the fakahatchee back in the day but most have been aloud to rot away or biologist take them over in collier county florida . I hunted with a rem 788 in 308 with a 2.5-10 bushnell and killing a deer was not hard .

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[CAJUNLAWYER]

so I have a need for a very solid see thru mount, my past experience with a couple of brands proved to be real flimsy, any suggestions?

If it's solid how do you see through it????

 

[Old Corp]

OMG - have seen discussions about this almost go to blows....

Having worked at a few LGS's over the years and being the 'scope mounting guy', I've sold and mounted many hundreds of optics.
Always did my best to recommend/advise and sell quality mounts. No rifle/scope combo works well without that as a foundation.

It seemed the more rural the area the customer was from, the more insistent he was for having those 'miraculous See-Thru mounts' on his deer musket. A short discussion of physics and why they were a poor option was most often a waste of breath.
Usually because they were so insistent on having a cheaper giant variable because that would enable those 800 yard shots across NC cutovers and bean fields. With that Remington 742/7400/760 or Marlin 336.

Low power variables work great. My deep woods guns wear older Weaver 1-3x's and Leupold 1-4x and 1.75 - 5x. Perfect for thick cover and all have been used on many occasions to take deer from bad breath distance to 150 yards.

 

[CAJUNLAWYER]

you hit on a pet peeve amigo. My largest power scope I own is a 1.75x6 Leupold. I've got a 1.5x5 on my .22. My biggest gripe is I can;t find a fixed two power any more that isn't scout eye relied or for handgun shooting to mount on my mini 14. See through mounts are an abomination in my opinion good for nothing else but to get the necessary bell clearance for those BIG 3x9's. Have you ever tried to actually shoot through those things???? I can't do it. Up to 75 yards, I prefer peep sights over scopes. When you are in the Atchafalaya basin 75 yards is a long range shot.

 

[beagleye]

3x9 should do the trick