South Carolina panel approves Concealed Carrybill

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COLUMBIA, S.C. — Gun-rights activists applauded a vote Thursday that would allow South Carolina citizens to carry a concealed weapon without a permit.

If this makes it through the legislative process, it's approval would give anyone over 21 legally able to own a firearm the 2nd amendment right to carry a concealed weapon. No training, licensing,background checks, fees, etc. Just get your gun and carry concealed.

Currently it is necessary to apply for a CCW to the State Law Enforcement Division, get a background check, etc.



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Good for them. Too bad the so-called gun friendly state of TX is not like that. Heck, they can't even keep the permit under $100 :rolleyes:
 
Just because I can walk, chew gum and squeeze a trigger doesn't mean I should be allowed to without providing some degree of responsibility. That _degree_ certainly has been blown out of proportion with all the state and federal laws we are now forced to follow just to MAINTAIN our 2nd Amendment Rights. I've read the South Carolina bill and hope it passes.

Maybe some sanity is creeping into this issue. If we could only keep the politicians out of it . . . Like the sign above my bench says - Guns have 2 enemies, rust and politicians.

Hip hip hooray for the great state of South Carolina.
 
I feel there needs to be some level of proven competence.

At the very least a background check.

The class was illuminating and forced me to rethink my reasons to carry. The liability concern alone keeps me going to the range frequently.

The SC test was easy and the range test not that challanging, but you still had to prove you wouldn't shoot yourself and could safely handle the gun.

I hope this doesn't give false sense of empowerment to people, some certainly with little knowledge, and probably even less training...

I pray my views and concerns are overblown.
 
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Wyoming Legislature passed concealed carry without a permit Friday. It remains to be seen if the Gov. will sign it.

He claims to be supportive of gun rights and hunting etc.

We'll see how he does when his feet are put to the fire.
 
The 2nd doesn't come with the need to prove competence, neither do any of the other rights explicitly spelled out in OUR Constitution.
 
Sane people don't need a permit or testing sytem. I have managed to survive into my sixties with hardly any knowledge about dynamite, because I recognize that I don't know enough to be playing with it, and will not do so until it is quite clear that I have learned properly, from a competent, safe, conservative instructor. I also have known individuals who will not handle guns because they recognize that they are not competent to do so. That's what responsible sane people do. Even many mentally handicapped people can handle that. No permit system is required. People who can't handle unsupervised existence in the world need to be in funny farms, not wandering the streets. No permit system will ever make up for that.
 
m1gunner said:
The 2nd doesn't come with the need to prove competence, neither do any of the other rights explicitly spelled out in OUR Constitution.
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Doesn't Vermont already have such a standard? Would be interesting to see how it works re: competence statistics.
 
The Vermont Constitution, Article 16, states "The people have a right to bear arms for the defense of themselves and the State".
Just another reason to live in the Green Mountain State.
 
i guess vermont, arizona, and alaska. maybe s.c. will join them. i honestly think this is what the second amendment specifies. i have a pretty good grasp of "shall not be infringed".

hopefully, more states will shortly follow suit!
 
This is a tough question. I know that I don't want people driving cars or flying airplanes without proper competence or knowledge. We take for granted that the state will regulate doctors, lawyers, engineers, pharmacists, accountants, contractors, and a host of other professions whose lack of competence would be a danger to the general population.

If SC were not gun friendly, and the laws were enacted to interfere with the legal carrying of firearms, I would wholeheartedly support this legislation. But that is not the case here - CWP's are easy to get - it takes a day and $50 to assess one's competence and knowledge of the law. Granted, I personally only got a little from the course that I didn't already know. I strongly suspect that there were others that needed it a lot.

I am also concerned about reciprocity with other states. Will other states, even those with which we currently have reciprocity, allow South Carolinians to carry concealed in their states? I recall this as a problem when Alaska switched to a no-license program.

Buck
 
SC people have to pay for a class and the "tax", plus the state will likely still offer the permit for those who need it for other states.
 
haggis said:
This is a tough question. I know that I don't want people driving cars or flying airplanes without proper competence or knowledge. We take for granted that the state will regulate doctors, lawyers, engineers, pharmacists, accountants, contractors, and a host of other professions whose lack of competence would be a danger to the general population.

If SC were not gun friendly, and the laws were enacted to interfere with the legal carrying of firearms, I would wholeheartedly support this legislation. But that is not the case here - CWP's are easy to get - it takes a day and $50 to assess one's competence and knowledge of the law. Granted, I personally only got a little from the course that I didn't already know. I strongly suspect that there were others that needed it a lot.

I am also concerned about reciprocity with other states. Will other states, even those with which we currently have reciprocity, allow South Carolinians to carry concealed in their states? I recall this as a problem when Alaska switched to a no-license program.

Buck
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Aside from the three states that already have "constitutional carry," several others, like Pennsylvania for instance, do not have any training or "competency" test requirement for their concealed carry permit and many have no restrictions on open carry without a permit. This has never been a problem.

Why would you think this would be a problem in South Carolina? Are folks there less intelligent then the rest of us? More violent by nature? Have some other disorder? Let us know. Thanks.

Ken
 
Let's stop and think about this for a moment. Is the issue of cc a real problem for most of us? Will more people cc if their state changes the law and allows them to? Will accidental or intentional shootings then suddenly turn our communities into shooting galleries, the Wild West? I suggest this problem may be vastly overblown, that a segment of our society sees anarchy in the streets should everyone be allowed to cc. Then why has this not happened in the states that allow it? Just trying to get some perspective on this and not get carried away by an irrational fear of "what might happen if.....?. Thoughts?
 
licenses only tax law abiding citizens...felons carry no matter what the law is.....
Do away with the whole license thing and only one thing will change, more citizens might be shooting more felons....
 
sheriffoconee said:
licenses only tax law abiding citizens...felons carry no matter what the law is.....
Do away with the whole license thing and only one thing will change, more citizens might be shooting more felons....
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Win Win...works for me...less burden on the state...

Why make people pay to excercise their right? For some the time of the class is a problem and 50 bucks plus may not be doable on a fixxed income...

If everyone was armed their would be alot less victims...
 
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