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Speer .357" 146 gr. JHP
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BUFF
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I liked those bullets' design quite a bit. I shot an awful lot of the 240 grain softpoints in .44, both in warm .44 Special and .44 Magnum handloads.
For a while, I carried the W-W 145 grain Silvertip as a duty round. I worked up loads with both -2400 and W-296 with the Speer 146 grain bullets that duplicated the Winchester load's velocity, as a practice round.
David: It is normal for jacketed bullets to develop higher pressures at the same velocities as lead bullets, or for a lead bullet load to become too hot pressure-wise when the same data is used with a jacketed bullet substituted for the lead one. If you change bullets, even of the same weight, you need to work up your loads again.
For a while, I carried the W-W 145 grain Silvertip as a duty round. I worked up loads with both -2400 and W-296 with the Speer 146 grain bullets that duplicated the Winchester load's velocity, as a practice round.
David: It is normal for jacketed bullets to develop higher pressures at the same velocities as lead bullets, or for a lead bullet load to become too hot pressure-wise when the same data is used with a jacketed bullet substituted for the lead one. If you change bullets, even of the same weight, you need to work up your loads again.
Pointblank2U
US Veteran
Back in the day, that was the duty load for my Departmant in .38 Plus P. I believe it was called a "Pentapoint".
nicky4968
Member
The Corbin bullet swaging site offers much information on this type of bullet. I don't have the money for Corbin, and regret passing up on a might-mite (sp) years ago, but much to be learned there.
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David Sinko
Member
The other day I stopped by a gun store I haven't visited in years and I found 50 of these bullets loaded into .357 Magnum brass. They were obviously handloads; the shop owner agreed that nobody will want to pay for somebody else's handloads so he just gave them to me. At home I looked closely and could see the loading data written on a label on the box. It said 9.2 grs. of Herco. I pulled about half of them and weighed the powder charges. My RCBS 5-0-2 scale tells me they're all at least 10.5 grs.!
And I just found my old "The Complete Reloading Manual for the .357 Rem. Magnum." The copyright date is 1993 and this bullet is in the Speer section. Lately I've had a renewed interest in the .357 Magnum, due to the fact that my 627 is such an outstanding performer. Right now I'm shooting this bullet at about 1200 FPS out of my 4" barrel, and according to the load data I should be able to get another 150 or so FPS with 2400 powder. As others have reported, accuracy is excellent. With 70 new bullets and 50 pulled bullets for load development, I think I'm in pretty good shape here.
Dave Sinko
And I just found my old "The Complete Reloading Manual for the .357 Rem. Magnum." The copyright date is 1993 and this bullet is in the Speer section. Lately I've had a renewed interest in the .357 Magnum, due to the fact that my 627 is such an outstanding performer. Right now I'm shooting this bullet at about 1200 FPS out of my 4" barrel, and according to the load data I should be able to get another 150 or so FPS with 2400 powder. As others have reported, accuracy is excellent. With 70 new bullets and 50 pulled bullets for load development, I think I'm in pretty good shape here.
Dave Sinko
Skip Sackett
US Veteran
Let her rip Dave and then tell us about it!
James57
Member
I really liked the Speer "3/4" jacketed hollow point bullets in both the .357 & .41 magnums. They were very accurate. I especially like the 200 grain .41 magnum bullet. I wish I could find some more but my stash is about gone and I don't know where I'll go next, probably look to Hornady XTP's. James
Maddog 521
Member
I picked up a box of the 146gr. bullets a while back, but haven't loaded them yet. They are in my Speer #9 book also. I'll have to get going on them. Good thread.
SuperMan
Member
Back in 2003 I was on a western motorcycle ride and stopped at the Speer factory for a visit with long time friend Alan Jones who was then the editor of the Speer Reloading Manual. He was working on #13 which was his last before he retired.
Alan gave me a tour of the factory and when the discussion came to .41 bullets I told him how much I liked the 200 grain 3/4 jacket HP and I knew a lot of shooters would would love to have the same bullet in .45. As was stated above, Alan told me that the machine was on borrowed time as it was the only machine that ever made this line of bullets, the .357/146&160, .41/200&220 and the .44/225/240. He said once it broke down for good the line would be gone....and so it was just a few years later.
The reason these bullets don't expand very much is because of the hard alloy used in the core and the thick cup used as the jacket. These are basically jacketed Keith bullets that cut holes like a wadcutter in paper targets just like Keiths do. The nose, either the soft point or the hollow point "melts" off and what is left looks like a little ashcan that really penetrates.
This is a 200 .41 that was running about 1350 fps. It went through 6 gallon jugs of water, one 3/4" piece of marine plywood and stuck into the face of the second board. In comparison a 210 Gold Dot HP only made the second/third jug of water....
There were run at 950-1250-1400 fps
Found two boxes of 146s and four boxes of 160s in my bullet stash last week. Loaded them up with 11.0 grains of SR4756, they crack...and very accurate. Only have one box of .44/225s left but still have 11 boxes of the .41/220s... Those are getting run through a Freedom Arms 97...
Last year I contacted Corbin about having dies made up to duplicate the bullet and was told no problem...just send us a few bullets to make the die...
In the #13 or#14 Manual there is a picture of a big mountain lion taken with one of .41/200s...
Bob
Alan gave me a tour of the factory and when the discussion came to .41 bullets I told him how much I liked the 200 grain 3/4 jacket HP and I knew a lot of shooters would would love to have the same bullet in .45. As was stated above, Alan told me that the machine was on borrowed time as it was the only machine that ever made this line of bullets, the .357/146&160, .41/200&220 and the .44/225/240. He said once it broke down for good the line would be gone....and so it was just a few years later.
The reason these bullets don't expand very much is because of the hard alloy used in the core and the thick cup used as the jacket. These are basically jacketed Keith bullets that cut holes like a wadcutter in paper targets just like Keiths do. The nose, either the soft point or the hollow point "melts" off and what is left looks like a little ashcan that really penetrates.
This is a 200 .41 that was running about 1350 fps. It went through 6 gallon jugs of water, one 3/4" piece of marine plywood and stuck into the face of the second board. In comparison a 210 Gold Dot HP only made the second/third jug of water....
There were run at 950-1250-1400 fps
Found two boxes of 146s and four boxes of 160s in my bullet stash last week. Loaded them up with 11.0 grains of SR4756, they crack...and very accurate. Only have one box of .44/225s left but still have 11 boxes of the .41/220s... Those are getting run through a Freedom Arms 97...
Last year I contacted Corbin about having dies made up to duplicate the bullet and was told no problem...just send us a few bullets to make the die...
In the #13 or#14 Manual there is a picture of a big mountain lion taken with one of .41/200s...
Bob
160 grain Speer jsp
Superman thank you for the info on the speer jacketed soft points. I found about 130 bullets of 160 grain jsp in my reloading supply and wondered why thay were no longer listed. Going to pick up my reloading equipment from my son sunday and get started.
Superman thank you for the info on the speer jacketed soft points. I found about 130 bullets of 160 grain jsp in my reloading supply and wondered why thay were no longer listed. Going to pick up my reloading equipment from my son sunday and get started.
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Anyone interested in these bullets to reload feel free to call me 360-463-2602
The 146 and 160 from Speer were very accurate in my revolvers.
Just one note of caution.
Never try to pull a bullet, once seated and crimped. Just shoot it.
On pulling with an impact hammer, the lead will exit the copper....
leaving you with an even bigger problem. I ended up tossing the whole thing.
Just one note of caution.
Never try to pull a bullet, once seated and crimped. Just shoot it.
On pulling with an impact hammer, the lead will exit the copper....
leaving you with an even bigger problem. I ended up tossing the whole thing.
SuperMan
Member
...I still miss these bullets...
Have some .41s and .357s left and then that will be it...
Bob
Have some .41s and .357s left and then that will be it...
Bob
