Sport II Hammer and trigger

[MichiganScott]

Been reading a bunch of posts complaining on this forum about the S&W Sport II and its parts not being "mil-spec". For the life of me I can't understand why anyone would purchase an economy AR and expect the parts to be "mil-spec". Buy a Colt LE6920 and be done with it if it's so important to you to have the parts "mil-spec".

If the part does not have a NSN number it's not "mil-spec". Semi-auto AR15 rifles by definition are not "mil-spec" because they can not meet the Technical Data Package. Mil-spec is one of the most over used and abused terms in the firearms industry.

 

[Scotiapilot]

Been reading a bunch of posts complaining on this forum about the S&W Sport II and its parts not being "mil-spec". For the life of me I can't understand why anyone would purchase an economy AR and expect the parts to be "mil-spec". Buy a Colt LE6920 and be done with it if it's so important to you to have the parts "mil-spec".

If the part does not have a NSN number it's not "mil-spec". Semi-auto AR15 rifles by definition are not "mil-spec" because they can not meet the Technical Data Package. Mil-spec is one of the most over used and abused terms in the firearms industry.

Nothing is truly mil spec unless its a true mil rifle AKA FA colt FN etc.

The thread is simply about the trigger. Fact is FA trigger sets DO NOT come with a NSN number stamped on them period.

Colt, FN or any other is simply a rifle put together with civi pieces that are designed as close to milspec as possible. Semi auto trigger groups are rarely if EVER used in US military rifles. matter of fact I have never seen a US Mil rifle semi only unless the depo removed the seer for training......I have never seen that.

I am not sure any COLT, or any other clone maker rifles stay "stock" as there are so many other awesome add ons that make it better.

As the OP here, I can safely say the 25 dollar trigger is much better than the Sport trigger. if it saved money on the build it was dimes to a dollar at best. I suggest using the Mil spec type of trigger for a better feel, its a heck of lot better than spending 200-300 for aftermarket two stage for a battle rifle.

Mil spec doesn't always mean the best. But in triggers, in this scenario it does means "better". It also means familiar with many of us who only know a mil spec trigger feel is better, more crisp and more familiar than the sport stock piece. I think its safe to say the stock sport trigger is an easy piece to replace that will allow the user to invest some labor, get to know his rifle and produce a better option for him.....and still not spend the huge dollars other manufacturers charge for similar product.

 

[cyphertext]

Mil spec doesn't always mean the best. But in triggers, in this scenario it does means "better". It also means familiar with many of us who only know a mil spec trigger feel is better, more crisp and more familiar than the sport stock piece. I think its safe to say the stock sport trigger is an easy piece to replace that will allow the user to invest some labor, get to know his rifle and produce a better option for him.....and still not spend the huge dollars other manufacturers charge for similar product.

If we took 10 identical rifles and all had a stock "mil-spec" trigger but one, and it had the Sport trigger, you would not be able to pick the one out of the group by shooting and feel alone.

I would bet money that you would pick the wrong one! AR triggers are inconsistent and each one has a different feel. Many Sport owners are happy with the stock trigger compared to basic "mil-spec" triggers and feel that they are not as gritty feeling and break cleaner. Mine does not exhibit any rounding of the edges.

If you are happy with a slicked up, basic trigger, then great. It works for you because you are playing games with rules... But I don't think it is necessary for folks to change out the stock Sport trigger over to a "mil-spec" trigger... having several rifles with both, I just don't feel a big difference between them.

 

[Scotiapilot]

If we took 10 identical rifles and all had a stock "mil-spec" trigger but one, and it had the Sport trigger, you would not be able to pick the one out of the group by shooting and feel alone.

I would bet money that you would pick the wrong one! AR triggers are inconsistent and each one has a different feel. Many Sport owners are happy with the stock trigger compared to basic "mil-spec" triggers and feel that they are not as gritty feeling and break cleaner. Mine does not exhibit any rounding of the edges.

If you are happy with a slicked up, basic trigger, then great. It works for you because you are playing games with rules... But I don't think it is necessary for folks to change out the stock Sport trigger over to a "mil-spec" trigger... having several rifles with both, I just don't feel a big difference between them.

Your argument is called "reductio ad absurdum" Look it up.

I can say OH HUH and you can make a stupid comment and say HUH, but for me to be actually able to prove it is nonsense. Line up a bunch of rifles for me to test. Stupid way to argue and seriously WT EF do you care.

Given the vast differences of many triggers I am very doubtful I could tell one cruddy trigger from another. Now place my mil spec polished trigger amongst your stock sw and non polished triggers and I will pick mine out every day.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Looks like we're done here.