Standard versus automatic transmissions...

Well, that would be my other vehicle that I learned to drive with and was handed down from my Dad. A 1963 Chevy Stepside. 35 years ago when I was in High School I did remove the six for a small block and moved the stick from the column to the floor. No A/C, power steering, windows, etc. It's actually pretty cool the way it is and I still have an appreciation for mechanical things that seem to last a life time.

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I have a 62 Chevy that my Grandfather bought new. Three on the tree. it has 45k original miles.

Learned to drive in a 52 Chevy pickup. Big ole long floor shifter.
 
Most of the "Mature" people here will remember the days of getting behind the wheel and just barely being able to reach the clutch............no way was the light dimmer possible !!

Next year I might be able to drive !!

Cut my teeth on a old GI style "Flat" Jeep that had so much use that you almost did not need the clutch............. It even popped out of third gear now and then. Going down hill we could get it up to 57 mph shifting from 4th gear into "Overdrive". That was freaking scary !!

Last car (Duster) had a 4spd Hurst, 4:11 back end and the "Little" 340 in her with the air cleaner top flipped upside down for a little more air.

I think those days are over with........... todays young drivers are not into cars........... but I do think they should be told of it, just in case they may need to do it............. Mercy.
 
My daily drivers are auto transmissions and I wouldn't have it any other way. On the other hand my sports cars have all had 5 speeds and that's part of the fun of one. I've done stop and go with a stick and it's no fun either.
Back in the 60s when I took drivers training we had to learn on a manual. Ours was a Torino and I did light up the tires on a rail road crossing too. I was told to use less gas pedal next time.
 
You can blame the government. CAFE and Clean air standards. Like it or not modern electronically controlled automatics are both cleaner and more fuel efficient than manuals.
 
My 4.0 liter Ranger has a stick, & 99% of the time I like it. The only time's I regretted my choice were when I was idling across Austin TX. Literally, first gear from one side of town to the other. Now that they have the toll road I don't have to deal with that & I can zip along at eighty & even eighty five in some sections...Love it!

Old Texmex mentioned slipper clutches on bikes, & i assume he's talking about sport bikes. I have always wanted to try one since they started putting them in street bikes. I can see where they would offer a lot more control & eliminate things like wheel hop & over revving going into a corner.
 
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I'm seriously considering swapping my BW Super T-10 for a Doug Nash 5-speed in my project 'Vette.

you could bolt in a tremec , have you looked at them? check out keisler transmissions . they have complete install kits
i have vague plans of swapping 4 for 5 as well . my m-20 is ok but im limited to 1:1 4 th gear . ive also considered a gearvendors over/under drive unit .then id have an 8 speed! id like to try somebody elses' gv equipted car first though
 
Speak for your self I am not lazy and there are still some Americans that aren't lazy. When I was younger I liked a stick shift but with age and traffic I only have automatics now. There is just so much traffic now. I don't even use cruise control because of traffic.

Don

EXACTLY! At last count I have owned 41 or 42 vehicles, Mostly American and Japanese, but at least one of just about every significant manufacturer you can name.

I was a die-hard stick shift guy well up into my 30's. I simply would NOT buy a vehicle with an auto. Our first family sedan was a Taurus SHO (the original version). Three things changed my mind about automatics.
1) I got into the 4x4 scene. Not quite the extreme stuff, but pretty hard core (6 trips to Moab so far). Automatics beat stick shift hands down for wheeling. Much easier on the drivetrain AND the driver.
2) Traffic. Rubber-banding through city traffic is almost unbearable in a stick shift.
3) Autos are SO much better now than they used to be. The mpg and performance difference is negligible. Many autos are set up for manual shifting as well.
I still like stick shifts for some vehicles, like turbo diesel pickups, and under-powered economy cars, but I'm not stuck on them like I used to be, and for a lot vehicles I prefer the auto...
 
In the USA, cars must be certified to meet emissions and safety standards set by the US Government. A standard transmission car, for purposes of certification, is a separate model and must be certified separately from the same car with an automatic transmission. That's expensive, and if the manufacturer doesn't see enough of a market for standard transmissions to offset that cost, they won't offer it.
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This is a HUGE factor, and likely the most significant.

There was a time, probably still is, when the heaviest tow ratings on pickups came with auto transmissions. Not because they were stronger, but because most people did a crummy job of driving manuals. They lugged the motor on uphills, shifted like a monkey with a hammer, and did not downshift as needed for some downhills. What I see now is that most folks who buy a pickup for towing get one that is too light for the boat or RV (the one tons are the threshold minimum) they want to pull, and make it worse with a ball hitch instead of a 5th wheel.

Commercial trucks: I was driving when the first automated transmissions came around, and like any new product, there were a lot of problems. Never drove one. The only truck I could stand to drive with a 10speed (generally not enough gears) was a Mack Superliner with a V8. It had the torque to overcome the lack of gears - grab 10th and drive 1000+ miles without downshifting expect to change roads or pull over. 6% grades, miles long, 78K, no downshift. I much prefer the 13, 'cuz you can drive it like a 9 and only split gears if needed for weird grades and such, except the 444 cummins I drove a bit had to be rowed around by the shifter. Fast, but no powerband.

There are two types of automated transmissions. Some have a conventional clutch, so 3 pedals. Some have a centrifugal clutch (2 pedals). All of them are actually manuals transmissions, but they are controlled and shifted by computer. The mechanical lockup is better than the slushbox/fluid lockup of a true automatic. The reasons that trucking companies go with the automated transmissions do include the lack of skill of newer drivers, plus a recognition of the safety issue having fewer distractions. In addition, with a modern computer controlled automated tranny, the engine performance characteristics and gear choice are better matched. Serious operators are measuring mileage to the 3rd decimal place, and when running 110K+ miles per year, especially in fleets, the $$ start to matter. If I was speccing one now, I'd likely go with an 18 speed autoshift, in part because of the lower gear selections for moving in tight spaces, and the flexibility of running in states with different speed limits. If I am able to do so, I plan to have an RV made on a Western Star, and it will have some form of automated transmissions.

We have two cars, my wife 2007 Outback, and my 2011 Legacy. We had a tough time getting hers with a 5 speed, but the additional control was a factor we wanted. Mine has a 6 speed, and with the additional gear gets 5+ better MPG on the open road because I am turning 800+ rpm less. (For no reason I can discern, 1st is taller than in my wife's car, which is unfortunate.) I do well enough with it to exceed the rating on the CVT, which is 4MPG higher than the rating on the 6 speed. That requires paying attention, and I more or less drive it like a Cat C15.

Most people do not pay enough attention to their driving, so an automatic serves them better. Living in crowded areas, an automatic is likely to be more realistic. My commute to the job I just left was 63 miles, with a total of 9 stop signs or lights, but mostly open. The 6 speed was glorious for that. With modern automatics getting more and more gears, so the splits are smaller and the top is higher, the mileage advantage is tipping to the automatics, especially if they are well tailored to the power band of the specific engine.

The only time I regularly drove an automatic was in a squad car. Given that there was a lot more to pay attention to, that was a good idea. Throw in rural LE where the throttle is often 2 positions (none, or full), and that made more sense too.
 
The best anti theft system I ever had on a car was a manual transmission.

I had a 1970 Chevy van, converted to a camper, with a 6 cyl and 3 speed column shift manual tranny.

The linkage was screwed up, and you had to have just the right "feel" while shifting, or it would bind up, locking the van in what seemed like 1st and reverse at the same time, leaving you going no where. The cure was to shift into what felt like nutral, set the emergency brake, get out and slide under the van, and smack the linkage a few times with a raw hide mallet. Worked every time.

I quickly got the hang of shifting it, and liked it like that. I even bet a few friends they could have the van if they could drive it thru the gears. Never lost that bet. I did have to replace the linkage before I sold it though..

Larry
 
In the 70s it was nice to be the only ones in the unit to have an automatic transmission equipped tactical vehicle. 6 speed Allison bolted to a big Detroit Multi-fuel engine turning 8 huge rough terrain tires. Yep we were way ahead of the times.
 
I just am not a 4 door=performance car guy. I have a muscle car era top loader 4 speed with a Hurst in my little street rod f-150, and it's great, but the Automatic over drive in our 1994 t-bird is far and away the best automatic transmission I have ever operated. The feeling of control is there; no free wheeling. I would like to try one of the 6 speed autos they are putting in Mustangs now.
 
Others have mentioned drag racing, we went pretty darn fast back in the day with GM autos. Add in a shift kit and a smaller converter, you can keep a ratio taller in the rear. Yet still get rubber on the shifts and run a big cam. I knew guys that had really fast cars, low 8 sec 1/4 with th400 it was worked but solid. Even at the line, transbrake etc. I havent played with that stuff in 20 years. Back them the big classes were using Lenco transmissions, planetary reduction I thought?

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Until the mid-80s , Pro-Stock still used a highly modified "factory production-style" 3spd auto with manual valve body and the Hurst 3 lever 'Lightning Rods' shifter. Usually built by companies like B&M or Fairbanks.

Back in the old days , Pro-Stock meant using GM/Ford/Mopar factory produced engine blocks and trans cases. Of course , the 'factory' produced them for and sold them to race teams only!
 
I have owned and driven several manual transmission vehicles (cars and trucks), and also several automatics. The mileage premium for manuals is basically no more. The clutches wear out, negating the only real advantage of a manual (cost). The manual does let the driver feel that he/she is "driving the car." Overall, now I'm in my 70s, with a bad left knee, slower instincts, and basically lazy.....an automatic for me.
 
Unfortunately the time of the manual transmission is ending. Fuel economy and emissions control are contributing factors. Also, most younger people simply do not want manual transmissions. For 2014 Porsche does not offer a manual transmission with the GT3 and this is about the closest thing you can get to a racing car for use on public roads. I do not think you can buy a new Ferrari with a manual transmission.

I have two 911's with manual transmissions (1984 Carrera and 2011 GT3 RS4) and I truly love these cars. I also have a 2002 Acura RSX with a manual. About a year ago I bought a 2013 911 turbo with the PDK, Porsche's automatic transmission. and I have been very pleased with it. There is no way I have the skill and coordination to change gears as quickly as the the PDK can change them. With practice it is possible to get close to the feeling of a manual through proper use of the paddle changers. The one thing the automatic definitely does is guard against the possibility of a missed shift which if done at sufficiently high RPM can be an awfully expensive proposition.
 
I prefer to focus my driving attention to actually driving with both hands on the wheel. I don't know how controlling the car is better when one hand is off the wheel continuously.

Manual trans in Europe are cheaper, it's economics not performance.
 
Don, I will speak for myself...for me, it's not a question of laziness per se, it's how I view the driving experience as a motoring enthusiast.

I love cars and I love driving. I'm 60, got my driver's license exactly 44 years ago today, have owned 20-some cars -- all of them sporty or high-performance cars -- and have never owned an automatic transmission.

Traffic in and around Baltimore is terrible, as it is in New York, Philadelphia, and Washington D.C., all places that I visit regularly with crowded roads and a lot of stop-and-go traffic. I drive about 25,000 miles per year as well. I still don't want an automatic transmission.

I have driven a couple of these dual-clutch automatics. Yeah, they're fast, and yeah, you can feel like a real-live Formula One guy tapping those paddle shifters, but in the end, it's still an automatic transmission: if you don't tap the paddles, it will shift when it -- not you -- thinks it should.

As long as I have a left leg and a right arm, I will drive a standard transmission, the Good Lord willing... :)

I applaud your enthusiasm, but you are in a shrinking minority that the manufacturers are not going to support. It is simply uneconomical to have vehicles on the assembly line with different transmissions.

Somebody mentioned engine braking and the lack of it in automatics. That may have been so in the 1970s, but with more gears and "tighter" torque converters automatics are much the same as a manual transmission. A car I had in the early 90s in England had a peculiar ZF set up where most of the torque went via some kind of directly coupled epicyclic gear with the torque converter there as an anti-stall device. It had great step-off from the line and plenty of engine braking when you shifted out of D into 3. All my automatic hating buddies were amazed.

Somebody mentioned automatic transmissions on bikes. I believe this was done some time ago and there are several on the market right now. The first one I recall was a variant of the Hondamatic transmission. Don't quote me though, it was a long time ago.:eek: These days Honda use a CVT on their bikes. Look up CTX700.
 
I learned to drive on a old Ford with the shift on the coloum. My
first car was a Ford Falcon convertable with a maunuel stick. I owned
a couple of cars with auto trans and then for 20 years I drove
small trucks with a manuel shift. There years ago due to some shoulder
problems I bought a small truck with a automatic trans. I am glad I
at least know how to drive a stick shift. I have friends who have no
idea how to drive one. I like the auto shift but there are times I miss
the feel of shifting a manuel. Good topic
 
In the marine propulsion world, emission control is everything. The Volvo drive system I use is so tightly set up that the transmission is interacting with the engine regarding analysis of exhaust. It's stupid complicated, and when you've got three of them, operating together....well there's ALWAYS another program to be downloaded from Sweden.
Makes me miss my old Gardner 6LXBs
with direct reversible gears.
 
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