Striker broke in less then 2 months 😕😥😩

[Genetically Swiss]

The U.S. Army, after extensive testing, recently chose the SIG P320 as their new sidearm. It is striker fired. I have two in 9mm, and they have been rock solid. Just an FYI.

GS

 

[Mister X]

1300 rounds and a **** ton of dry fires through my SD9 VE. No issues with any of it so far. I know that is nothing compared to some people with 10s of thousands of rounds through a gun with no issues, but the reputation of the SD9VE is pretty solid. If you are a tier one operator, then cool beans bro. If you are a tier mall operator, go ahead and play with your "gun" and stop trolling. Truth is the Sigma, SW, & SD series is a Glock Clone. It costs what the Glock is supposed to have cost and what it does cost when sold to a police dept. There are much better guns out there than both of these, but seriously guys, the glock is the Honda Civic of the gun world and the SD VE is the Toyota Corolla. Both as good as the other. But one has much better marketing.

Like I said in my initial post, the SD is ok for what it is. If someone is on a tight budget and absolutely cannot afford anything, cool. However, if they can afford it, I recommend getting a better gun. It doesn't have to be a Glock, but to consider the SD equal in quality is nonsense IMO and I think most reputable instructors would agree. There are many great offerings from SIG, Beretta, HK, FN or even S&W's M&P. And clone doesn't mean equivalent. There are plenty of shady Glock copies. I'm not an "operator" and definitely not trolling, but I have been teaching LEO's, civilians and quite a few military personnel for nearly 3 decades. I try to help folks make informed, logical decisions. This is about choosing the best tools for the serious business of self-defense. None of it should be taken personally, yet you took it that way and responded with a uncivil post.

 

[S&W Rover]

The U.S. Army, after extensive testing, recently chose the SIG P320 as their new sidearm. It is striker fired. I have two in 9mm, and they have been rock solid. Just an FYI.

GS

The P320 has a great reputation and despite being a late addition to the ranks of striker-fired pistols "won" selection as the M17 against strong competition. And for a price to the US Army of $208.00 per pistol!

 

[ou1954]

Just for clarification, just where are the breaks in these strikers?

There have been posts about firing pins breaking because of dry firing on an empty chamber.

Are the breaks discussed on this thread happening at another location.

 

[kctgb]

If pointing to use by 2nd and 3rd World countries makes you feel more confidant in it's quality, more power to you.

The Brazilian armed forces issues Taurus, but I would never recommend one for serious use.

I'll still stick with my 1st World, Tier one guns when it comes to defending the life of me and mine.

YMMV

Originally the Brazilian army awarded a contract to beretta for 92 pistols, one stipulation was that the pistols had to be made in Brazil with Brazilian labor. After the contract was filled Beretta sold the tooling to Taurus, they manufacture pistols for the Brazilian army now.

 

[Steve912]

If pointing to use by 2nd and 3rd World countries makes you feel more confidant in it's quality, more power to you.


YMMV

Your spelling may vary as well, even if you're
feeling 'confident'.

It's amusing that you are criticizing a S&W pistol, on an S&W forum, and stating your pistol of choice is a Glock. Some might call you a troll.

However, you may be truly sincere and honestly desire to steer the OP away from the SD, to a Glock. On that basis, we'd have to accept your proposals as sincere also, the major one being that the Glocks have significant US LE use and (starting recently) by US military, and that this makes the Glock the best choice.

 

[Steve912]

I would say that my criteria IS to buy based on military adaptation/acceptance. Because it shows that the gun IS capable. In 1987 the Navy experienced its first slide breakage at 30,000 rounds of high pressure MG ammo. There were two other guns that had the same issue at 30,000 rounds. Five guns had the issue at over 20,000 rounds. All shot with machine gun ammo.....much hotter than NATO ammo. In later testing 129 weapons were successfully fired to the 30,000 round mark. This was on top of the rounds these individual weapons had already fired. 
Four receivers were tested beyond the 30,000 round mark.  Failure occurred at 30,520 rounds, 36,988 rounds, 32,500 rounds, and 43,000 rounds.

Four slides were pushed beyond the 30,000 limit.  They averaged 75,250.

This criteria gives me a good idea of what I'm carrying and what to expect. As opposed to buying something that's never been tested outside of a few YouTube videos.

The 1911 has been around for a long time but I know of only one thats over 100k rounds with documented replacement parts. I'm not saying it's a bad design or a bad gun but being around for a century is NOT the same thing as hard use/lots of shooting.

By the way there are/were police departments that issued/allowed officers to carry a 1911. Albuquerque NM allowed it until recently. I've seen Vagas PD with 1911s.


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The rumors about "high pressure machine gun ammo" breaking
Beretta slides are just that--rumors. AFA four slides failing, sure--but that wasn't *all* that failed.

 

[Arik]

They weren't rumors. Documented

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[ou1954]

I remember a military bid request from about a year ago and S&W was entering the finals. I forgot the date and details, for which I apologize.

Does anyone know the outcome?

 

[Mister X]

It's amusing that you are criticizing a S&W pistol, on an S&W forum, and stating your pistol of choice is a Glock. Some might call you a troll.

However, you may be truly sincere and honestly desire to steer the OP away from the SD, to a Glock. On that basis, we'd have to accept your proposals as sincere also, the major one being that the Glocks have significant US LE use and (starting recently) by US military, and that this makes the Glock the best choice.

I actually carry S&W revolvers more than anything else and you'll usually find me recommending them more than any other weapon. However, that doesn't mean I have to like and defend every revolver S&W produces. I think the bodyguard is a bad design and I would tell anyone to avoid it. Brand loyalty is nonsense as far as I'm concerned.

Guns are pretty much just tools to me and Glocks are simply the most proven and effective semi-automatics IMO. The M&P is a fine weapon as are many others, I just think Glock is still the best currently available. They aren't perfect by any means. If I determine something is better, I'd switch without hesitation or sentiment. If somebody doesn't like certain S&W guns or Glocks, I don't take it personally, but they should be able to provide valid reasons for their dislike.

I honestly would not choose the SD9 to defend the lives of me and mine, so it would be very insincere and hypocritical to approve of or recommend it to someone else when I feel it is not good enough for me.

 

[Genetically Swiss]

Actually, the issue of the Beretta (M9) slides cracking was American manufactured ammunition, loaded at far too high pressure, roughly pressure test loads. This is documented in official reports. The pistol design was not the issue. Below is an interesting video on the topic. To the OP, sorry for the drift.

Fact vs Fantasy - Beretta M9/92FS - YouTube

GS

 

[ggibson511960]

They All Break!

Having hung around firearms for almost 60 years, I have seen a bunch of them break, too many to remember. Firing pins, strikers, extractors, ejectors and hammers are prominent in my memory, though I have never counted nor catalogued these mishaps. The common theme is impact loading. Metal parts clanging together are subject to enormous localized stresses, hence the use of fine grain metallurgy in these types of parts. Several here have maligned plastic frames. This is a red herring. The polymer frames in all of these striker fired guns are carriers for the parts doing the real work. Parts subject to impact loads have typically been fabricated from forgings or rolled stock, materials with high fracture toughness. MIM is the new kid on the block and not totally trustworthy in my opinion, but money talks.

 

[S&W Rover]

I remember a military bid request from about a year ago and S&W was entering the finals. I forgot the date and details, for which I apologize.

Does anyone know the outcome?

The Sig-Sauer P320 was selected by the US Army to become the M17.

 

[Papa_D]

... I'm not an "operator" and definitely not trolling, but I have been teaching LEO's, civilians and quite a few military personnel for nearly 3 decades...

Have you got a website? I would love to see some of your material, as would most of the people here, after you claim something like this.
What is the name of your school?

Sorry it took so long to respond. I have been busy living and not spending much time online.

 

[GRU_ 7_ mech]

OP, what ever came about with sending the gun back to S&W?