Sub $50 primers...

[flintsghost]

Norma not declaring HAZmat

The reason there is no Hazmat charge is that Norma is neither marking the package as UN044 or with a Hazmat decal. They are not declaring these to be HAZmat. I received my 4000 today which I ordered friday. They were shipped Fedex ground but without any declaration. I did NOT have to sign for them.

 

[BC38]

The reason there is no Hazmat charge is that Norma is neither marking the package as UN044 or with a Hazmat decal. They are not declaring these to be HAZmat. I received my 4000 today which I ordered friday. They were shipped Fedex ground but without any declaration. I did NOT have to sign for them.

If that is the case then they are REALLY sticking their neck out - unless the DOT took primers off the Hazmat list.
Shipping unmarked Hazmats is a federal crime - and at the very least will get your shipping account canceled.
All it would take is an accident or even damage to the box that spilled the contents.
Somebody is being penny wise and pound foolish.

 

[Skeet 028]

Mine came from Norma with the docs and hazmat markings...But didn't sign...they left 'em on the porch

 

[ACORN]

I have a hard time believing Norma would open themselves up to such liability in today's litigious world.
They're not some fly by night operation.

 

[mrcvs]

Does Norma give you a tracking number, or does your order just arrive? How many days after placing an order does your order arrive?

I never received a tracking number.

 

[ACORN]

Does Norma give you a tracking number, or does your order just arrive? How many days after placing an order does your order arrive?

I never received a tracking number.

Yes tracking was sent. I ordered on Mon or Tues and they are due tomorrow.

 

[Mike0251]

Been using Ginex and been through approx 7000 to date (competition shooting). Just got another 5k in. About 1 in 600 no bang. $316 no haz fee, $11.60 shipping, no tax.

 

[ken158]

It's a federal law that applies to certain items that are deemed to be dangerous to ship. Powder and primers are on the list, loaded ammo is not. I think online retailers sell with "no hazmat fee" when their cost of obtaining powder and primers has dropped, but instead of listing a lower price, they just pay the hazmat fee for you.

There is no federal law charging hazmat fees. This is a fee carefully disguised by sellers to offset their expenses in training employees under the federal law regarding shipping - to ship in a proper box and under the triangle label, etc. If this was a lawful fee, then everyone would be charging the same - and is why distributors will waive their self imposed fee at times to encourage sales. This is just a well orchestrated scam to get more $ for their products.

 

[mrcvs]

There is no federal law charging hazmat fees. This is a fee carefully disguised by sellers to offset their expenses in training employees under the federal law regarding shipping - to ship in a proper box and under the triangle label, etc. If this was a lawful fee, then everyone would be charging the same - and is why distributors will waive their self imposed fee at times to encourage sales. This is just a well orchestrated scam to get more $ for their products.

That's right, a SCAM…

 

[stansdds]

There is no federal law charging hazmat fees. This is a fee carefully disguised by sellers to offset their expenses in training employees under the federal law regarding shipping - to ship in a proper box and under the triangle label, etc. If this was a lawful fee, then everyone would be charging the same - and is why distributors will waive their self imposed fee at times to encourage sales. This is just a well orchestrated scam to get more $ for their products.

I stand corrected, it's technically not federal law, but the Department of Transportation creates regulations that carry the weight of law. DOT hazmat regulations require specific labeling of materials they deem hazardous for transportation and there can be restrictions on the method of transportation and the route of transportation when it comes to hazardous materials. I expect there would be higher insurance costs for companies that transport such materials.

 

[cptdco]

Mine showed up without incident or accident and were left on the porch.

 

[.38SuperMan]

I was optimistic about these and ordered 3000 back a few months ago. I tested them by priming some empty cases and shooting them in one of my revolvers and didn't have any issues. Since I've loaded 600 in 38 special and 32 S&W long and shot them in a variety of old and new revolvers. Each of my revolvers functions 100% with Winchester, Federal and CCI magnum and standard small pistol primers.

After shooting 600 I'm experiencing about one FTF per cylinder in each gun. Single action is less of an issue than double action due to a longer hammer drop but even then I'm having failures.

It appears the cup is very hard and hardly dents. Yesterday I shot 93 rounds of 38 special in a new model Python. Out of the 93 almost every cylinder, 6 rounds, had at least one that wouldn't fire until the next strike. One round took 4 attempts to get it to fire. Even single action wouldn't detonate it.

I've experienced the same in my Detective Special, K-38 and Model 15-3. I'm loading on a Dillon Square Deal I've used 35 years, a RCBS Rock Chucker I've used for 40 years and a Lee priming tool I've used 50 years and never had a primer fail until these. I know I'm seating them properly because they're set flush in the case just as I've done for decades.

Looking at the primers it's obvious what's happening. Some are dented deep like with other brands and others hardly have more than a surface mark. These are ok for plinking but I certainly wouldn't stake my life on them or use them in competition. I'm planning on using them up then will buy my regular brands if I need more. Fortunately I have plenty of primers but thought for the price I'd give them a try. Unfortunately I'm very disappointed.

 

[Skeet 028]

And I have had no problems with them. I use a RCBS Bench mounted primer seater. The previous poster's problems sound like incomplete priming. I don't use 'em in semi autos though

 

[BC38]

I have a hard time believing Norma would open themselves up to such liability in today's litigious world.
They're not some fly by night operation.

Then somebody is seriously screwing up in the shipping department.

Unfortunately, the penalties for shipping an unmarked hazmat would still apply. They are liable whether it was intentional or accidental.

They might be a little more lenient if it was one mistake, but if it is determined that it isn't a one-time deal they could still be fined and loose their hazmat shipping account.

Shipping companies don't take this kind of stuff lightly - they can't afford to, because the DOT takes a very negative view of shipping reg violations.

Unless they have changed in the last couple of years, the shipping companies (UPS, FedEx, etc.) in addition to requiring that the shippers employees go through a bunch of training, and charging the shipper an annual fee to be certified to ship hazmats, they charge the shipper an extra fee for each hazmat package to cover their costs in extra handling, processing, training, etc. for handling hazmat packages. So if the seller/shipper advertises free hazmat, it means they are covering that fee for you out of their own pockets - because I can just about guarantee you the shipping company isn't waiving that fee.

All of that is in place to ensure compliance with DOT regs regarding transporting of hazardous materials on the public roadways. Staying compliant with regulations costs money.

 

[.38SuperMan]

And I have had no problems with them. I use a RCBS Bench mounted primer seater. The previous poster's problems sound like incomplete priming. I don't use 'em in semi autos though

Not a priming issue. I've reloaded probably over 40 years and never had a failed primer until now. Also since my first round failed with these primers I've checked every round to make certain they're seated properly.

Anyway I'm manually seating with my RCBS Rock Chucker and my vintage Lee tool ( with the round primer tray). As a side note I don't have any issues seating them.

All of the rounds up to this point have been for a variety of calibers and different revolvers. None of these revolvers have ever failed to ignite the other brands.

 

[apollo99]

I ordered 4 boxes, Fed/Ex just told me they lost the package. NormaUSA.com is resending another 4 boxes. I hope they arrive this time.

 

[stansdds]

I ordered 4 boxes, Fed/Ex just told me they lost the package. NormaUSA.com is resending another 4 boxes. I hope they arrive this time.

FedEx's new slogan; when it absolutely, positively has to be lost overnight.

 

[ACORN]

Mine arrived Thursday. No signature. No Hazmat labels I could see unless it was some discreet marking. The carton was sealed with tape marked "repacked" so maybe FedEx damaged the original box and repackaged them? IDK. The primer boxes were unscathed.

 

[smoothshooter]

I tried contacting the company 3 times over 2 weeks and can't get them to return my calls. Would like to order several thousand.

 

[ACORN]

I tried contacting the company 3 times over 2 weeks and can't get them to return my calls. Would like to order several thousand.

AFAIK there's no limit.
Why not just order on line.
I just ordered 5 thousand. Easy peezy.
I'd post a link but I might run afoul of the gorilla.
Just search Norma primers. Add them to your cart but leave them sit a day or 2. You may get a 5% discount offer.
Free shipping, no Hazmat charge, 5% discount, if your state has no sales tax that's another plus.
Right now, you can't beat it.