suggested lights for M&P 9...home defense

Be careful listening to advice from the internet. Information can be good. It can be anecdotal. It can be false... lies... someone trying to troll for attention... it can be misguided and it can be second, third, or eleventh hand information.

What you are about to read could be any of the above, so don’t trust me or anyone else... verify...

I have literally set alarms and woke up at 2am to test various hand-held and weapon-mounted lights from a dead sleep. I’ve compared lights of various luminosity and candela, and I’ve put lights and tactics to the test with both live fire training and force-on-force.

I’ve trained thousands of cops to work in low light and I developed the low light training program for one of the largest law enforcement agencies in the United States.

Here’s some thoughts.

For those who say high lumen lights will mess with night vision. Yes. That’s the point of a light. You don’t need night vision because you are illuminating your threat. If you think you’re going to “light and move” you won’t like that at all when your ability to visually process the situation goes away. It can work... but it’s not ideal. Use of light should be minimal until a threat is located... when they are you should be illuminating and solving the problem. The light doesn’t go off until the problem is solved and if inside your own home, the light and lights probably shouldn’t go off at all.

Will a high lumen light mess with night vision? Yep. So will a relatively low lumen light. I’ve done testing with numerous individuals activating 300 lumen lights into white walls at close range and 500-1000 lumen lights into the same white walls. They all mess with night vision. The difference is minute because luminosity is measured logarithmically. A 500 lumen light is not twice as bright as a 250 lumen light. It’s far less than twice as bright. A 1000 lumen light is far les than twice as bright as a 500 lumen light, which isn’t that much brighter than a 300 lumen light. Since (unless you shine it in a mirror or reflective window, which if you do in your own house you own it...) we’re not looking at the source of the light and our bad guy potentially is, the affect on our night-adapted vision compared to the effectiveness as both a threat identification tool and removing much of the threat’s ability to process information is pretty cool.

Using a hand-held flashlight in conjunction with a handgun isn’t super easy in practice and training let alone a stressful situation. Without intensive training and practice these techniques tend to fall apart and the use of the light becomes inefficient and sometimes detrimental. That said, there are times illumination is needed and a gun shouldn’t be pointed, so I am a firm advocate of having hand-held lights in addition to WMLs. In fact, I have a bunch of hand-held lights all over and a few dedicated tactical ones to supplement the WMLs on my duty and home defense guns.

Ultimately, if you have determined that a WML fits your needs for a home defense handgun, I’d recommend you try a few to see what you like. If you don’t have that opportunity and you want advice from others who may not share your same situation and priorities I’ll give you my opinion and preference.

For home defense I would go with a Surefire X300 Ultra (1000 lumen) coupled with a DG-12 pressure switch or a Streamlight TLR-HL with a contour switch. There are a couple of training points to make sure you’re on your game with the pressure switches, but they make the pistol far more intuitive. There are those who will argue against the pressure switches. I disagree.

I could go on and on for a long time about things but I’ll end this post with a final thought. Home defense should be layered. Alarms, maybe a dog for early warning if nothing else.

If you have layered properly and someone is inside your home you have a really big problem even if you have an arsenal in your room. If you watch videos of home invasions that everyone thinks they’re defending themselves against, it comes fast and violent. You’re as likely to be fighting from your bed as anything else... unless you’re a crook too and were expecting it as in many home invasions. You are way less likely to “search” and more likely to be in immediate “fight” or in a barricade situation.

People might post videos of people fighting off home invaders. It happens. It’s rare. Most of the time they (bad guys) plan to hit at an unexpected time and the video doesn’t get posted on the news because it’s evidence in the murder investigation into the person who was killed by the invaders.

There’s lots to think through and unpack, but a constant is what Will Petty says... “If I can see it I can solve it”. Light does that. Bright light does it better. A light that activates under stress without having to think about it is best.
 
No lights work better for me...........;)

Okay, that's not fair, too cryptic....but I am not a fan of extraneous things hanging off my self defense weapons, day or night.

First, anyone entering my home at night is getting shot. Nobody lives with me and if I have overnight guests (rarely) they are instructed to not enter my bedroom, which is locked, anyway. So, anyone who enters is an enemy and will be dealt with accordingly.

Having said that, I have night lights plugged in around the house so anyone prowling around is going to be illuminated and, therefore, shot on sight.

That's sleep mode. Any other mode is when I'm awake and then the decision is easily made - you broke in, you're getting shot. There are hidden guns everywhere and one with me all the time.

I don't need a flashlight of any kind of lumens to accomplish this extraordinarily easy task. Police officers have different responsibilities. I only have one. :rolleyes:

And it's not much different if I'm out. If I am feeling threatened a gun is available; why do I need to play with a flashlight? :eek:

This is excellent advice......

There’s lots to think through and unpack, but a constant is what Will Petty says... “If I can see it I can solve it”. Light does that. Bright light does it better. A light that activates under stress without having to think about it is best.

......for law enforcement officers. ;)
 
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This is excellent advice......



......for law enforcement officers. ;)

I think you’re missing the point.

You have an opinion but not experience.

I’m not telling you what you need to do. That’s your personal responsibility, and it’s your personal right. I will say that your advice, given different localities, could get someone in a world of legal trouble, so you need to be careful throwing our your opinion without a solid understanding of your audience.

You say my advice is good for cops, but it was in no way intended for cops. It is simply advice with the experience of a cop who has seen a lot of how people interact in a negative way. You can dismiss that experience if you want but there’s a reason for everything I said.

I’ve heard lots of people talk tough about shooting anyone who comes in their home. I’ve heard them say how no unauthorized people are supposed to be there. I’ve heard that as an excuse when they shot someone who they didn’t want to shoot. I’ve had cases of the 10-12 year old kid who got pissed that dad beat the you-know-what out of him because Dad’s a drunk [insert your own word] and he ran away... then got hungry and broke into a home to get some food. If you’re ok ending the life of a 12 year old hungry kid because he invaded your space you may be able to justify it to yourself, but I refuse to allow that mentality to influence others without a counterpoint.

Owning guns and carrying guns and keeping a gun to defend ourselves is a right. Being responsible is being a good human.

If technology (weapon and hand-held lights and tactics) can help us be more responsible, that’s decency.

If your specific circumstances don’t require identification you may be fine. Be cautious about thinking that applies to everyone.
 
Owning guns and carrying guns and keeping a gun to defend ourselves is a right. Being responsible is being a good human.

Agreed.

If technology (weapon and hand-held lights and tactics) can help us be more responsible, that’s decency.

I've been trained with lights. I don't get paid to clear buildings so I disagree that using lights makes someone more responsible.

If your specific circumstances don’t require identification you may be fine. Be cautious about thinking that applies to everyone.

That's true, everyone's circumstances differ. I'll agree there. But I still disagree with the use of lights.
 
After watching this video a few months ago I have removed my weapon light and purchased hand held. It was an eye opener to me personally.

I watched the video, and my perspective is that his examples were bad tactics and inappropriate use of a firearm. It had nothing to do with a WML.

A WML is a tool. A valuable tool. It’s not for everyone, but be wary of someone who maybe doesn’t have the latest training and exposure to human performance.

The reality is that you can have a WML if you need it... AND a hand held light if you need it. If you’re going to throw one away for the other it leads me to ask why?

If you don’t have a really good answer you may want to re-think your position. Because the reality is that if you really give a think about your responsibility and you have the funds to purchase, the ability to build skill, the knowledge to use appropriately, and you ignore it because you don’t want to... that’s a you problem. It’s not a problem for the person who puts that other tool in the tool box, and you putting that down is harmful.

Ayoob was wrong in that video. I’ve read his stuff since I was a kid and he’s been a fixture in my memory of influencers when you actually had to be influenced by paper and not pixels on a screen. I’m adult enough and I’ve seen enough to call out even those I respect. He’s wrong and I’m not talking failing a test. I’m talking about people have died who shouldn’t because people didn’t prioritize light and identification.

Hand held lights are great on the square range and when calm. They suck when it matters. Body cams over and over support this. Have a hand held light. It matters in certain situations. If you don’t have a WML you are sacrificing capability. You are less good than you could be. That’s fine because everyone makes their own choice, but don’t try to justify it.

You’re less capable without a WML. You’re a bigger danger to the world without a WML.
 
Great discussion! I have a Streamlight light/laser combo on my Plus and intend to leave it there. But ... To slightly reorient this topic with experienced shooters, what would be a good, affordable hand held edc light for those who don't have one to supplement recommended WML.?
 
Great discussion! I have a Streamlight light/laser combo on my Plus and intend to leave it there. But ... To slightly reorient this topic with experienced shooters, what would be a good, affordable hand held edc light for those who don't have one to supplement recommended WML.?

There are a bunch of good options out there for hand-held lights. Much of it will depend on how dedicated you want it to be, what task or tasks you want it to perform, and what you are willing to carry.

I’ve been carrying a Surefire Stiletto for several years now. It’s bright and the tail cap switch is what I prefer for a tactical light in that it is push for on (high-mode only), release for off. Simple and effective. Then there is a side button that allows constant-on at low, medium, and high which I find great for more admin tasks. There’s a strobe mode in there somewhere but I never use it and have never accidentally activated it so I don’t really care. Regardless of what mode you’re using the tail cap switch immediately overrides it and returns to the momentary/high mode. It’s rechargeable via USB and seems to last a long time.

I also like the Surefire Tactician, Modlite makes some great lights, Malkoff is very high quality as well.

Streamlight makes great lights and I’ve used and use Fenix lights and a bunch of other brands as well. I’m less a fan (for defensive use) of lights where the tail cap can be pushed in for constant-on because under stress many people (even pretty trained people) tend to push hard and the light stays on when they didn’t intend it to. That said, the lights can be good at doing a lot of jobs and I can see why someone would choose this route... especially if price is a concern because with these lights you can get a lot of bang for your buck.
 
A good strong flashlight that you hold AWAY from your body. A light on a gun( which will be usually in front of you) is an excellent target for a bad guy. You won't know till you see the flash.

A lot of people have very strong OPINION about using lights and guns but few people have any real training or experience.

Lets just say in a few months I'll have 30 years experience and my list of professional training is extensive.

Flashlight techniques have come a LONG way since the FBI first taught the flashlight out technique. The theory was the user would be able to light up the area/suspect and stay behind the light in the shadows so to speak, and be out of the line of return fire. The reality is as lights got bigger and heavier in the 70s-90s, think Maglight and Streamlight, users ended up holding the light lower and lower. Plus the user is shooting one hand, always something to avoid if possible.

This evolved into the "turret" technique, where the user intentionally rested the rear of a 5 cell light on their shoulder, thrust the gun out with the other hand and swivelled at the waist tank turret style. Less tiring on a long search and the spill from the light would illuminate the front sight of the gun aid in aimed fire. Still shooting one handed.

From there the various two hand techniques came about.

Harries, back of the hand to back of the hand, allowed the gun and light to be used as a unit and the support hand to offer a certain level of stability to the gun hand. Based on the Weaver technique. This technique works regardless of the style/type of light and does not require special equipment.

Next the Ayoob technique Gun in support hand
, thumb on switch, base of thumb to base of thumb, both hands thrust forward. This and the Chapman are based on the isosceles technique. Requires a light with a side switch.

Chapman is similar to Ayoob but the smaller three fingers holding the light wrap around the frontstrap of the gun. Chapman is slower then Ayoob to get into action but is more stable and better suited to longer range searching.

Rogers Surefire. Requires a small light with a center ring and tail switch. For a period of time the FBI issued the Surefire G2 combat light and taught this. Works well but requires a specially set up light.

The common factor in all of these later techniques is the focus on using the light and weapon together. Clearly identifying the target, determining if its a threat and delivering accurate aimed fire. NOT avoiding return fire. A more offensive mind set if you will.

Weapon mounted lights are the next step in this evolution of gun light technique. The most import thing to remember is NOT WML or hand light but BOTH. There will always be situations where a light is useful but drawing a weapon is NOT legally authorized.

As far as the Ayoob video referenced I absolutely DISAGREE with the idea of lighting up a threat and then dropping the light to draw the weapon. I refuse to give up the level of control illuminating a threat with a quality hand light gives in order to draw and go to the weapon light.

Anyone carrying a weapon should be able to draw one handed. Once the weapon is out and on target the user can then transition to weapon light technique or use one of the gun/light techniques, all the while illuminating the threat.
 
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I won’t quote the above post but please read it twice. It’s worth it.

If I could like it twice I would...

^This.... that post spelled out how far we have come from when some of us first came on, and what used to be state of the art training vs now.

I will echo liking that post twice.
 
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