LedFowl
Member
Thanks.
If it's not stuck from a build up of crud, should I be able to move the extractor by getting a hold on it? Is it supposed to pivot in some way?
SW9VE Jam
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Thanks.
If it's not stuck from a build up of crud, should I be able to move the extractor by getting a hold on it? Is it supposed to pivot in some way?
setxn
Member
Unless you have super strong fingers- no.It should move fairly easily with help of an unsharpened pencil,Popsicle stick or something that won't harm the gun.
LedFowl
Member
Does the extractor need to move so the empty casing can push its way loose from it when it hits the ejector? Does it need to move so the round can snap into it when angling up from the mag?
You know, just trying to understand how this all works and not finding too much elsewhere online. Thanks.
LedFowl
Member
Wanted to update that I went to the range tonight and still experienced many failures-to-eject (maybe 1 in each 3 firings). I had earlier tried to clean the crud out of the inside of the slide by squirting cleaner into it through the hole on slide bottom. I figure now I'll take the slide completely apart, clean it better, and then try it at the range again.
ookiidog
Member
bad extractor?
have you checked the extractor closely,its pretty small and could be damaged or broken.
have you checked the extractor closely,its pretty small and could be damaged or broken.
setxn
Member
It does seem that you have more problems than can be fixed with a spray can.
If your extractor does not look like this. The pistol should work fine. It should extract brass great!
If it has nice wear pattern something like this it will work good.
The extractor only needs to move enough to engage the brass. If your spent brass is scared up on the back side the extractor is not moving right. If it's ate up on the front side depending on damage you could have a tight chamber and the pro's and con's that come with that. Or a already damaged extractor.
Or you could be flat out limp wristing the pistol. A extractor is a very basic principle.
If it has nice wear pattern something like this it will work good.
The extractor only needs to move enough to engage the brass. If your spent brass is scared up on the back side the extractor is not moving right. If it's ate up on the front side depending on damage you could have a tight chamber and the pro's and con's that come with that. Or a already damaged extractor.
Or you could be flat out limp wristing the pistol. A extractor is a very basic principle.
LedFowl
Member
I took the slide on my Sigma apart this morning and gave it a good internal cleaning. After that, I took it to the range and ran about 75 rounds through it. It still has at least one failure-to-eject for each dozen rounds. I'm going to get hold of S&W to see if they'll take a look at it.
Blastfact asked about limp-wristing. You know, originally I thought that was the problem. I've been sorting through this for a few weeks now and I don't think that's it anymore. Could be wrong, of course. I've also tried different ammos.
Thought you might like to see a few photos. This first one is the condition of the extractor right after I removed it from the slide. The shiny stuff is brass shards. There's a certain amount of muck, also. I think I've shot about 600 rounds total since I bought this pistol in June.
In this next one, you can see brass and muck on the internal surfaces of the slot the extractor sits in. I labeled a few things. 1 – The picture doesn't show it well, but that's the end of the shaft that houses the extractor plunger. It's running down from the butt end of the slide. 2 – That's the slot that the cam (a lobe?) on the extractor fits into. 3 – That smooth cylinder is the striker safety plunger. I hadn't removed it yet. There's a certain amount of gunk in there, too.
Here are a few views of the extractor after I cleaned it up. The shiny places are worn. I didn't see anything I thought was broken off. Would this amount of wear be a problem?
Thanks to everyone for their help. Oh, and I was very pleased the thing fired after I put it back together!
Blastfact asked about limp-wristing. You know, originally I thought that was the problem. I've been sorting through this for a few weeks now and I don't think that's it anymore. Could be wrong, of course. I've also tried different ammos.
Thought you might like to see a few photos. This first one is the condition of the extractor right after I removed it from the slide. The shiny stuff is brass shards. There's a certain amount of muck, also. I think I've shot about 600 rounds total since I bought this pistol in June.
In this next one, you can see brass and muck on the internal surfaces of the slot the extractor sits in. I labeled a few things. 1 – The picture doesn't show it well, but that's the end of the shaft that houses the extractor plunger. It's running down from the butt end of the slide. 2 – That's the slot that the cam (a lobe?) on the extractor fits into. 3 – That smooth cylinder is the striker safety plunger. I hadn't removed it yet. There's a certain amount of gunk in there, too.
Here are a few views of the extractor after I cleaned it up. The shiny places are worn. I didn't see anything I thought was broken off. Would this amount of wear be a problem?
Thanks to everyone for their help. Oh, and I was very pleased the thing fired after I put it back together!
LedFowl
Member
I just wanted to report that I was still getting too many ejection failures after cleaning this gun up, so I contacted S&W. They sent me a shipping label, and I boxed my pistol up and sent it off to them a couple of weeks ago. When I get it back I'll add more.
My apologies if I hijacked this thread from its OP, but we were both having the same problem with ejection failures and exchanged a couple of PMs about it.
My apologies if I hijacked this thread from its OP, but we were both having the same problem with ejection failures and exchanged a couple of PMs about it.
bitstream
Member
Be sure to follow up with what S&W did to it and a range report after you test it! Thanks!
LedFowl
Member
I got my Sigma back from S&W Thursday and I took it to the range tonight. I didn't have any failures-to-eject in the 100 rounds of 115 grain Winchester white box I shot, so I'm prepared to say my ejection problem is solved since I was having failures once every 12 rounds or so before. It no longer throws empties back in my face, either.
There was no charge. They replaced the ejector (guess nothing was wrong with the extractor) and the sear box assembly. Between the time I shipped it and time I got it back it took about 20 days.
A happy ending. Gonna need more ammo.
There was no charge. They replaced the ejector (guess nothing was wrong with the extractor) and the sear box assembly. Between the time I shipped it and time I got it back it took about 20 days.
A happy ending. Gonna need more ammo.
Hello, I realize that I am posting to an older posting but this is what came up when searching for SW9VE jamming issues.
My brother bought a SW9VE several months ago and I have been relatively impressed with it and decided to buy the same gun this past Monday.
My brother had been to the shooting range twice before with his SW9VE without any problems. Today, we both went to the range and I used my 9VE for the first time. I shot off 2 clips (30 rounds) with no problem at all. Then my brother shot his and on his first clip, his 9VE jammed with 2 rounds left in the clip (out of 15). This is the first time it had happened to his 9VE.
*We were both using Remington ShurShot target cartridges, mine was a new box, never chambered. His clips however, had been stored fully loaded with 15 rounds and on several occasions, some have been chambered several times. He noticed today that on the cartridges that have been repeatedly chambered, it shoved the bullet back into the shell casing a little so we thought it was because the spring in his clip had been worn by keeping it fully loaded for several months and some of the cartridges had been chambered several times.
To try to determine what the problem was with his 9VE, he took one of my clips using my new ammo and used it in his gun. It shot off all 15 rounds without jamming, however, the chamber didn't unlock after shooting the 15th cartridge.
After this experiment, we thought it was because he was using old ammo that had sometimes been chambered several times.
However, I wanted to shoot my 9VE one more time with my clip and my un-chambered cartridges to make sure that mine was still functioning normally, I spent 15 rounds from my clip and it didn't jam but the chamber remained closed after the 15th round.
Now my brother & I are trying to decide whether or not to send both of ours back to S&W to be checked out.
If my chamber had unlocked and performed like the first two times I used it, we would have just chalked it up to my brother's clips being fully loaded for extended periods of time with several rounds being previously chambered. But after our experiment, my chamber didn't stay unlocked using my new clips and my new ammo.
Any suggestions?
Thanks
My brother bought a SW9VE several months ago and I have been relatively impressed with it and decided to buy the same gun this past Monday.
My brother had been to the shooting range twice before with his SW9VE without any problems. Today, we both went to the range and I used my 9VE for the first time. I shot off 2 clips (30 rounds) with no problem at all. Then my brother shot his and on his first clip, his 9VE jammed with 2 rounds left in the clip (out of 15). This is the first time it had happened to his 9VE.
*We were both using Remington ShurShot target cartridges, mine was a new box, never chambered. His clips however, had been stored fully loaded with 15 rounds and on several occasions, some have been chambered several times. He noticed today that on the cartridges that have been repeatedly chambered, it shoved the bullet back into the shell casing a little so we thought it was because the spring in his clip had been worn by keeping it fully loaded for several months and some of the cartridges had been chambered several times.
To try to determine what the problem was with his 9VE, he took one of my clips using my new ammo and used it in his gun. It shot off all 15 rounds without jamming, however, the chamber didn't unlock after shooting the 15th cartridge.
After this experiment, we thought it was because he was using old ammo that had sometimes been chambered several times.
However, I wanted to shoot my 9VE one more time with my clip and my un-chambered cartridges to make sure that mine was still functioning normally, I spent 15 rounds from my clip and it didn't jam but the chamber remained closed after the 15th round.
Now my brother & I are trying to decide whether or not to send both of ours back to S&W to be checked out.
If my chamber had unlocked and performed like the first two times I used it, we would have just chalked it up to my brother's clips being fully loaded for extended periods of time with several rounds being previously chambered. But after our experiment, my chamber didn't stay unlocked using my new clips and my new ammo.
Any suggestions?
Thanks
SocialD
Member
bwgolden,
Don't take this the wrong way, but we are going to have to work on your firearm vocabulary to make sure that you get the help that you need. I'm going to make some assumptions and guess that "chamber locked" or "chamber unlocked" means that either the slide is forward (locked) or the slide is back (unlocked), is this correct? Next, I'm going to assume that "rounds that have been chambered" are rounds that have been inserted into the magazine and not rounds that have been in the barrel and ejected without having been fired, is this correct also?
The magazines should be able to be stored loaded for months, if not years, without any problems. The probelm with the slide failing to stay back is likely the result of dirty magazines. It might be a good idea to take them apart and clean them. Next, I would check that the tab that is activated by the magazine follower hasn't been bent or something. A bent tab could be causing the slide failing to remain back after the last round is fired.
Finally, I would clean them both very well and make sure that they are properly lubed.
Good luck,
-D
Don't take this the wrong way, but we are going to have to work on your firearm vocabulary to make sure that you get the help that you need. I'm going to make some assumptions and guess that "chamber locked" or "chamber unlocked" means that either the slide is forward (locked) or the slide is back (unlocked), is this correct? Next, I'm going to assume that "rounds that have been chambered" are rounds that have been inserted into the magazine and not rounds that have been in the barrel and ejected without having been fired, is this correct also?
The magazines should be able to be stored loaded for months, if not years, without any problems. The probelm with the slide failing to stay back is likely the result of dirty magazines. It might be a good idea to take them apart and clean them. Next, I would check that the tab that is activated by the magazine follower hasn't been bent or something. A bent tab could be causing the slide failing to remain back after the last round is fired.
Finally, I would clean them both very well and make sure that they are properly lubed.
Good luck,
-D
LedFowl
Member
Welcome to the forum, bwgolden.
Thanks D, the reason that it has taken so long to reply is that my brother has the exact same hand gun as I do. He's had his a little longer though and he's spent the last week on the phone with S&W (they have been very helpful) and also made a trip to Lock N Load shooting range and they had helpful trained gun enthusiasts there and explained a couple of things to him. Bottom line, both of our guns are fine, mine just needs breaking in with about 800-900 more rounds of ammo.
I will work on my vocabulary as time goes on because I know I will probably be visiting this forum again
Thanks LeadFoul!
I will work on my vocabulary as time goes on because I know I will probably be visiting this forum again
Thanks LeadFoul!
airman
WW II Vet
After 400 rounds a S&W9VE should be broken in. Something is slowing down the cycle,like dirt or weakened spring, even dirty ammo. The guys are right, that sucker must be clean and the slide return spring as parallel as you can get it. Very light lube, just in the places called out i the manual. I had fewer problems with my Sigma than another brand.
I hope someone else has a better answer.
I hope someone else has a better answer.
Zebra365
Member
LedFowl
If that last picture you showed is the gun after you got it back, it is still not fixed. The outer surface of the extractor should be parallel to the surface of the slide, not dipping below the surface of the slide at the front of the extractor as in your picture.
Take off the slide, and in good light with a magnifier, look rearward at the firing pin opening from underneath the slide. The tip of the extractor should be straight and nearly flush with the straight edge of the slide which faces the shell.
If the lip of the extractor is still of factory length and is protruding into the shell more than it should then on each shot I would expect one of the following two things to happen: 1) The extractor would engage the rim of the spent shell too tightly and the shell would tend to eject almost straight to the rear instead of out to the side or 2) the lip of the extractor is too deep to engage the rim of the shell and the shell will not be extracted.
A "stovepipe" (good picture in post #14) is often caused by limp-wristing, but from your description, you didn't have a stovepipe.
Hope this helps.
If that last picture you showed is the gun after you got it back, it is still not fixed. The outer surface of the extractor should be parallel to the surface of the slide, not dipping below the surface of the slide at the front of the extractor as in your picture.
Take off the slide, and in good light with a magnifier, look rearward at the firing pin opening from underneath the slide. The tip of the extractor should be straight and nearly flush with the straight edge of the slide which faces the shell.
If the lip of the extractor is still of factory length and is protruding into the shell more than it should then on each shot I would expect one of the following two things to happen: 1) The extractor would engage the rim of the spent shell too tightly and the shell would tend to eject almost straight to the rear instead of out to the side or 2) the lip of the extractor is too deep to engage the rim of the shell and the shell will not be extracted.
A "stovepipe" (good picture in post #14) is often caused by limp-wristing, but from your description, you didn't have a stovepipe.
Hope this helps.
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LedFowl
Member
Zebra365, this is kind of an old thread, and I don't remember if I took that photo (on the blue case) after I got the pistol back from S&W or before I sent it to them. Looking at the pistol now, the rear of the extractor is pushed up slightly (vertically), but the side surface is parallel to the side of the slide, and the position of extractor when viewed with the slide removed is as you describe it should be. I think the photo makes it look like it's tipped in instead of tipped up in back.
I looked through the http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-...477-ultimate-sigma-picture-thread-thingy.html and saw some others that looked very similar to mine.
At any rate, this Sigma has cleanly ejected about a 1000 casings since S&W replaced the ejector and the sear box assembly. Have a good one.
Zebra365
Member
Glad you're fixed. Another plus for S&W service.
I've been spending the last 40 minutes trying to figure out how to insert pictures. Worthwhile to know.
Happy shooting!
I've been spending the last 40 minutes trying to figure out how to insert pictures. Worthwhile to know.
Happy shooting!
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