Swagg dowen bullets ?

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Can i swagg dowen .223 bullets (55 grain fmc) to .222 useing a suitable die & ptess ?
Can it be done in other calibers ?
Ex. : 0.41 mag. Bullet to .40 s&w ?
Thanks for any info on that subject !!
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I would save yourself a lot of work as there are several good choices for 222 rem and 40 bullets that are out there.
 
Thanks,but since i have a lot of .223 bullets and .222 are gon'a cost me some bucks , is there a way to convert ?
Rrgards
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I'd be concerned that with a FMJ bullet, after swagging the jacket would spring back more than the lead core, leaving the core loose. It also seems it would take quite a bit of force to do this, requiring a substantial press.

Even with lead bullets, sizing more than about .005" starts getting difficult and you start having to do it in steps with multiple dies.

Sounds like a lot of effort if it's not absolutely necessary.
 
Thats a point !!
The gap is .001 = 0.00254 mm
Can that gap be dune in one stroke ?
Are there any dies made for that purpose ?
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Can i swagg dowen .223 bullets (55 grain fmc) to .222 useing a suitable die & ptess ?
Can it be done in other calibers ?
Ex. : 0.41 mag. Bullet to .40 s&w ?
Thanks for any info on that subject !!
O.g.

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Yes you can swage down bullets slightly, but what are you trying to accomplish? I am amazed no one else asked!!

The only cartridges that uses .222" bullets are .22 rimfire and the .22 Rem Jet. If you are going to load .222 Remington this uses .224" bullets.

If you have an old .22 Hornet, made back in the 1930s, and it was made with a .22 rimfire barrel go ahead and shoot the .223 bullets! If you have a factory Hornet more recent than the 1950s it will have a .224 barrel too!

And, while we are at it, the only .223" Hornet bullets I am aware of is 40-45 grain. If you have 55 grain bullets they are .224" too. It may seem counter-intuitive to you but virtually all of the various .22 caliber rifles from the .222 Rem, .223 Rem, all .224s, and .225 Winchester use .224" bullets, regardless of what the cartridge is named.

Before you begin reloading ammunition you need to do a lot more research on the subject before you hut yourself!
 
I salute you ALK for your answer !
You are truely a master (my master in blsck powder back in 2012)
Is 22-250 bullet also .224 ???
Sure im' gon'a learn alot before reloading it !
Best rrgards
O.g.
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Yes you can swage down bullets slightly, but what are you trying to accomplish? I am amazed no one else asked!!

The only cartridges that uses .222" bullets are .22 rimfire and the .22 Rem Jet. If you are going to load .222 Remington this uses .224" bullets.

If you have an old .22 Hornet, made back in the 1930s, and it was made with a .22 rimfire barrel go ahead and shoot the .223 bullets! If you have a factory Hornet more recent than the 1950s it will have a .224 barrel too!

And, while we are at it, the only .223" Hornet bullets I am aware of is 40-45 grain. If you have 55 grain bullets they are .224" too. It may seem counter-intuitive to you but virtually all of the various .22 caliber rifles from the .222 Rem, .223 Rem, all .224s, and .225 Winchester use .224" bullets, regardless of what the cartridge is named.

Before you begin reloading ammunition you need to do a lot more research on the subject before you hut yourself!

Most rimfire is even larger than .222. The ones i've checked run .223 to .224. Usually CCI is .224
 
Most rimfire is even larger than .222. The ones i've checked run .223 to .224. Usually CCI is .224

Don't confuse the cartridge bullet diameter with the rifle bore and lands diameter. Many cartridges are made a little large, so they perform well in older or worn out firearms.

As to the OP's question. I have swaged jacketed bullets from .338 to .330 for an old European military rifle. Complete core separation happened, the ammo was the worst I ever shot from that rifle (and I was using a proven "Good" load). The lead goes down to a diameter inside the jacket and , depending on alloy, my spring back .0005 or less. The jacket goes down to the die diameter and also depending on alloy may spring back up to .004. I have had cores "Rattle" around inside the jacket. It is a total waste of resources!

On lead bullets, it is a different story! I have a 300 grain 45-70 bullet mold, with a harder alloy it casts to .467". It is all I can do to size them to .459". I size all of those castings to .459, then size some of them again to .454 or .452 for use in 45 Colt. Lots of work, but saved me from buying another mold! If you ever try this, smear some bullet lube on the first to reduce a little of the friction.

As to the question about "Are 22-250's in .224" also?" Yes as stated, all 22 center fire rifle cartridges made post WW II are in .224. There are some pistol rounds that are exceptions. There is ONE exception to that rule: 22 Savage High Power. It uses a .228 bullet (Hornady was the only place you could get them for years,) and these are Semi-Round Nosed and usually 80 grains. You won't confuse them for anything else!

Now onto your 22-250. These rifles (of almost any brand) are very accurate! 22 FMJ bullets are of mass production to be cheep, and are of usually less than stellar accuracy! My favorite bullet for all of the medium case sized 22 Center Fire Cartridges is a 50 grain polymer tipped bullet. There are 4 brands; Hornady, Sierra, Nosler, and Combined Technologies (Winchester & Nosler). They are mostly the same price with the CT's being the most expensive. Of my 12 firearms (9 rifles and 3 Contender barrels) every one has a preference as to which one it likes, except, I have 1 rifle that likes two brand equally well. So I keep boxes of each brand in stock, and whatever I have the most of, I use for load development. Then I load up 5 of each bullet with that best load and see which the gun likes best. It is extremely unusual for a gun to like 2. I have a 1:9 twist Savage 223, that doesn't like any bullet that light! I likes 75 grain A-Max (Hornady) bullet and shoots them very well!

Sierra has a very good loading manual. It has a recommend load for accuracy for every cartridge, THIS is where I start (and usually am satisfied with it!) 22-250, if a well used rifle, can have an eroded throat, that may require seating the bullet out further. Then I go for the brand selection.

Have fun finding out just how well your gun can shoot!

Ivan
 
Most 22 center fire are 0.224". Even bullets for the 222rem & rem mag are 0.224". Yes they can be swaged down to 0.222", but what are you shooting them in?
I would hesitate to swage 0.410" bullet all the way to 0.400", probably too much distortion & you would certainly want to do it in steps. I size 300gr 0.430" 44mag to 0.423" bullets for my 404jeffery in two steps. They shoot 2moa, good enough for a cheap practice bullet.
 
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Don't confuse the cartridge bullet diameter with the rifle bore and lands diameter. Many cartridges are made a little large, so they perform well in older or worn out firearms.


Ivan

I wasn't confused about anything. I was talking about bullets, the original post was about bullets and ALK's post I quoted was for the most part about bullets...

Yeah it's possible to size lead down, but honestly anything above a .006 reduction requires LOTS of force and distorts the bullet quite a bit. All that displaced lead has to go somewhere and the resulting bullets don't look like something I'd want to shoot.

With a jacketed bullet I wouldn't hesitate to try a .001 reduction. Assuming there was a valid reason for doing so. It might work it might not...
 
I do swage my own with tooling from Corbin.While lead has almost no springback,you might find that it ain't so with jacket material.Like written above,you will encounter jacket to core separation;none too good for accuracy and terminal performance if meat getting is the objective.
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If you are looking for bullets to shoot in a .222 Remington, they shoot the same bullets as the 5.56 mm or the .223. They are all .224 diameter.
 
Thank you all replayers !!due to the info i got here i will re-consider all the idea !!! Regards o.g.

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I salute you ALK for your answer !
You are truely a master (my master in blsck powder back in 2012)
Is 22-250 bullet also .224 ???
Sure im' gon'a learn alot before reloading it !
Best rrgards
O.g.
Israel

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Ofer,

I didn't realize this was you! I hope you have been well. I was really sorry for the rainy day 5 years ago, I would have loved to spend more time with you! I didn't realize it had been that long!

Yes, with the couple of exceptions noted all center-fire rifles that are designated as .22 caliber anything use .224 diameter bullets. There is one other exception and that is the old .22 Savage Hi-Power, that it is extremely unlikely you would come across. This one uses a .228" bullet that is nearly impossible to find.
 
YES SIR !
I may be mistaken 4 years ago ??
i will also love to see you again and i will try to go to USA again !!!
Is your adress and tetephone the same ?
Ofer

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YES SIR !
I may be mistaken 4 years ago ??
i will also love to see you again and i will try to go to USA again !!!
Is your adress and tetephone the same ?
Ofer

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Ofer,

The address is the same but I only use the cell number now, I will send you a PM. I would hope you get back to the US again, I would enjoy seeing you again.

Al
 
Dear AL !
It will be great pleasure for me too !
I will chck our planes for 2018
I will inform you ASAP !
BEST REGARDS
your friend
Ofer

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To answer the original question, yep you can swage .223" bullets to .222". I have sized down some .323" bullets to .318" to fit an Enfield I have. I used a "custom" Lee push through die and lubed the bullets with STP. It was a job, but I wanted to handload some jacketed bullets for my rifle. with a .318" groove diameter and could not find any commercially.

FWIW; I believe the bullets for 5.45x39 (AK 74) is .221"...
 
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