Switching to .22? Somebody stop me!

If someone decides to carry a firearm, they obviously feel that there is a realistic need for it and acknowledging that there is a possibility they could have to use the gun to save their life. Why carry one that is so inefficient at the task? Stopping power does matter. It doesn't mean everyone must carry only the very top performers based on the stats, but whatever is chosen should be acceptable in stopping power. One could argue that what's acceptable is debatable, but most instructors and informed people pretty much draw the line around the same place...9mm/.38 special with some including .380 ACP and a .38 snub revolver has it's own particular strengths and even some advantages over a full size semi-auto, so it isn't all simply about caliber.
A .22 is nice to carry, but simply inadequate for defense use in the opinion of almost everyone who is has least a decent amount of knowledge on the subject.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_power_chart.htm

About the only time I'd see making an exception is perhaps if there were a health problem such as severe arthritis, injury or severe loss of strength with advanced age. Even then, there must be a distinction made with tolerating higher volume range or practice shooting vs being able to manage to handle getting off a few close quarter shots as would be the case in an actual dense shooting. If someone is extremely frail, they probably aren't going to shoot much anyway, if at all which IMO isn't necessarily an insurmountable issue as the vast majority of civilian self-defense shootings occur at extremely close distances and historically there are countless examples of untrained individuals successfully defending themselves with firearms.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/handguns_handicapped_shooters.htm
 
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Originally Posted by ISCS Yoda View Post

............. it's a tempting concept for a guy who drags a S&W 642 in his pocket every day.

Seriously, you find it hard "dragging" a 642 around?! I carry a 442 everywhere I go and never considered it an issue. COME ON MAN!

I didn't mean the weight but it sounds like I did. I meant that it might be nice to carry a small, flat pistol on my belt instead of it being stuck in my front pocket. I love my 642!

Remember, folks, this was idle speculation. I didn't say affirmatively that the deal was done! I was always looking for comments.
 
On my not so accurate fish scale the Jetfire weighs 11oz loaded with 9 rounds of 50gr FMJ. The 342 with Taurus boot grips weighs 14oz loaded with 5 rounds of 135gr Gold Dots. I think I can get it down to 13oz with the 405 laser grips installed.

Isn't that Jetfire a .25 ACP pistol? Sort of a disconnect with this discussion. I carried one for nearly 20 years until I switched to my 642.
 
I'm gonna be a bit of a devil today but I'm gonna say it anyway...


Most experts agree to not use anything less than .380 for a self defense pistol. They simply do not have the stopping capability. Sure the BG might die on the operating table a couple hrs later, but if he is intent on killing you, you're in trouble if all you have is a .22.

Some people like to argue about shot placement, that a .22 in the right place will drop a buffalo. Well the reality is, you & the BG are not standing stationary from each other, you both have spilt second reaction that may save or take a life....

would you gamble with your life on a .22?

Want proof of a real world senario between someone with a .22 & another armed with a 9mm?


Take this story for example. 9 mm and .22 Magnum were weapons used in double-fatal Ionia road rage shootout | MLive.com

guy #1 with the .22 fired 5 times at guy #2 hitting him once in the arm and twice in the chest. Guy #2 after being hit with 3 .22 rounds goes in his car to retrieve his 9mm and fired once at guy #1 hitting him in the chest.... Both idiots died...

Moral of the story is, had Guy #1 had something larger than a .22, he may have prevented guy #2 from going back in his car & pulling out his pistol...


IMHO.. .22's belong in the hands of novices shooters, training purposes, target shooting, varmints & collectors. They have no bussiness being used as any real means of self defense....

Ok I'm ready to get trashed by .22 aficionado's :cool:
 
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You obviously didn't hit the vital core. Where is the vital core on a dog anyway??

This is from a C.E. Harries article "Revisiting the full charge wadcutter"

"I started carrying my four-inch .38 Special Colt Official Police in one ruck and a 4 inch Ruger Police Service Six in the other. Both revolvers are sturdy, reliable, and accurate. The .38 Special is not your first choice as a bear gun, but a more likely threat is an upright, 2-legged human criminal actor or large dog such as a pit bull. This thought process was initiated by an experience in which an acquaintance had difficulty stopping a pit bull attack with a .22 handgun despite multiple hits, several of which were well placed

Animal control officers stated that in their experience that .38 Special +P would have probably likely stopped such an animal attack quickly. Had the first .22 hit been a head shot which penetrated the skull, the outcome would have been different, but little data is available on how well .22s penetrate a large dog skull at oblique angles and frankly, my experience with .22s does not inspire confidence in hot-blooded situations with large toothed animals."


The full article can be found here:
Ed Harris: Revisiting The Full Charge Wadcutter | Reloading, Ammunition, Hunting | GrantCunningham.com
 
If discomfort is gonna make you carry less often then by all means get a .22! .22lr is 100% better than nothing. But there are a ****-ton of .380 and 9mm that are minescule!
 
I pack a 22 for rabbits. For big rats I carry two 22s in the form of a 44.

Do what you like, I doubt I will ever wish I had a larger caliber. But, you might. Best of luck.
 
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With my Walther PP in 22lr. I can put 8 rds on a playing card in a very short time and if that don't stop anything coming my way he or she is damn sure going to have to catch one very scared old man. As always the old firstsoldier.
 
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A Zip? Just because you CAN do a thing, doesn't mean you SHOULD do a thing.

P.S. I love my little teeny Beretta 21a, and my .22 Derringer makes me feel like James West. Now I just need a spring loaded device up my sleeve.
 
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