tacticool22
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Nice solid looking design.
Why no international shipping?
Why no international shipping?
SWS Brass Deflector Gen 2
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To do a chamber check you will have to roll the rifle over onto the side a bit to see into it. It was much easier with the old design, but the slots were part of the problem that caused the bounce back issues some experienced.
I found nothing that is clear cut in terms of what is ITAR restricted and what is not. I found couple of different documents that list rules and regulations that contradicted each other. I would prefer to play it safe, all it takes is getting noticed once.
I found nothing that is clear cut in terms of what is ITAR restricted and what is not. I found couple of different documents that list rules and regulations that contradicted each other. I would prefer to play it safe, all it takes is getting noticed once.
Received Mine!
And it's a beautiful thing. I really liked the first version, and the way it looked, and I didn't have a lot of trouble with it, just enough bounce-backs to make it aggravating...tried the new one, and wha-la...no bounce backs! Thanks for sticking with it, and making a great product for us lefties!
And it's a beautiful thing. I really liked the first version, and the way it looked, and I didn't have a lot of trouble with it, just enough bounce-backs to make it aggravating...tried the new one, and wha-la...no bounce backs! Thanks for sticking with it, and making a great product for us lefties!
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Good to hear it is working great for you mk842766!
Took my version 2 to the range today. Worked perfectly for the 100 rounds I shot. Thanks for the replacement. It looks great on the gun.
You have to look hard, especially in the rather low light of my indoor range, but you can visually check that there is not a round in the breech. It is a little difficult, but worth it to not have hot brass hitting my arm.
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You have to look hard, especially in the rather low light of my indoor range, but you can visually check that there is not a round in the breech. It is a little difficult, but worth it to not have hot brass hitting my arm.
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I beg to differ. Brown delivering me 1500 rounds from cabelas today; was about $.06 shipped. 1 brick CCI blazers, 1k M22.
Last week I received the same. So that's 3k in a little over a week. Midway had 5000 round cases of CCI blazer earlier for even less ($200 for 5000 IIRC). Unfortunately, that stuff is gone in seconds....
It *can* be had. You just have to want it. My problem has been it's been too friggin' cold and too much snow... It's supposed to be warm(er) tomorrow before our next bout of snow... Wife's eyes lit up when I suggested a family outing....
It's not hoarding, 'cause I'm gonna shoot it *this year*....
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In terms of seeing into the chamber, the slotted version(s) were the best, but cases would catch on the slots and bounce back into the chamber ... malfunction junction.[/QUOTE]
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Now that it is solid, how does it impact your ability to visually check the chamber? [/QUOTE]
I've been following this product development for some time. I haven't ordered one yet, but while this newest version seems to work fine, I'm concerned about the ability to check the chamber also.
Has the idea of making the shield with a series of small round holes in it, instead of the previous slots (which seems to have caused problems) been thought of? A series of small holes, as shown in my rough attached picture) approximately 3/16" in diameter would allow for a quick visual chamber check, without giving spent shells anything to catch on, thus causing problems. From a manufacturing standpoint, I'm not sure if this would present a problem, but it would help with the ability to being able to quickly do a visual check of the chamber.
Another quick question, although this one would require a whole new design, is there any way to incorporate a shield that has a flip up option similar to the spring operated dust shield on a AR 15 chamber? The spring would have to be strong enough to prevent the spent shell from causing the shield to flip up, but still would allow for the operator to flip up the shield to do a chamber check or to help clear the chamber in case of a misload. Obviously this is a more complicated design (sorry SimpleWeaponSolutions). Just a suggestion/question.
In terms of seeing into the chamber, the slotted version(s) were the best, but cases would catch on the slots and bounce back into the chamber ... malfunction junction.[/QUOTE]
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Now that it is solid, how does it impact your ability to visually check the chamber? [/QUOTE]
I've been following this product development for some time. I haven't ordered one yet, but while this newest version seems to work fine, I'm concerned about the ability to check the chamber also.
Has the idea of making the shield with a series of small round holes in it, instead of the previous slots (which seems to have caused problems) been thought of? A series of small holes, as shown in my rough attached picture) approximately 3/16" in diameter would allow for a quick visual chamber check, without giving spent shells anything to catch on, thus causing problems. From a manufacturing standpoint, I'm not sure if this would present a problem, but it would help with the ability to being able to quickly do a visual check of the chamber.
Another quick question, although this one would require a whole new design, is there any way to incorporate a shield that has a flip up option similar to the spring operated dust shield on a AR 15 chamber? The spring would have to be strong enough to prevent the spent shell from causing the shield to flip up, but still would allow for the operator to flip up the shield to do a chamber check or to help clear the chamber in case of a misload. Obviously this is a more complicated design (sorry SimpleWeaponSolutions). Just a suggestion/question.
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Freeway
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Made it to the range this morning with the new brass deflector. Fired 150 rounds and had 13 bounce back into the chamber using Winchester M-22 ammunition. I will try to get back there in a few days and test with other ammunition.
I will also install the 45 degree prototype (without the slots) that worked really well for me. It that one is better, I may just paint it black.
I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, I love the concept, the product, and how SWS has taken care of things through all of this. I was the first person to post about bounce back problems, and feel this whole thing is kind of my fault. I think my rifle just has a strange ejection pattern!
I will also install the 45 degree prototype (without the slots) that worked really well for me. It that one is better, I may just paint it black.
I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, I love the concept, the product, and how SWS has taken care of things through all of this. I was the first person to post about bounce back problems, and feel this whole thing is kind of my fault. I think my rifle just has a strange ejection pattern!
Majorlk
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That's why the deflector was redesigned. The angle was changed and the slots eliminated. Not going to say it can't happen, but almost 1k through two rifles during the beta testing of the Gen 2 deflector resulted in zero bounce backs.
Locked-N-Loaded
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I do a chamber check, like you, by tilting to the side. Each and every time. Flip to safe, tilt to side and visualize.
This alone is the main reason I cannot get on board. As a righty I don't need the device, as cool as it is, but I might of found a reason to want the device, but not in the present configuration. Not hating at all, very nice product and clean design, but I cannot forgo an easy chamber visualization with a simple minor twist.
I watched the device and it's versions along the way, I think there could have been a happy medium between solid and slot holes. For example, dozens and dozens of smaller holes like perforations that would allow you to visualize the chamber, but not big enough for brass to be affected by being caught in a cut out and deflected. IMHO that is.
RedNeck Jim
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So I installed this new version & loved the look of it, however as I feared, it blocked too much of my view of the chamber. I'm not saying this is not a great product for others... just not for me due to the way I do a safety check.
So I gave it some thought, and decided to mount it to a UTG low profile riser mount that I had sitting around. My logic being, if I used the deflector, it would be nice to be able to remove it without tools. So I put it on, and yes it comes off much easier but the really cool thing is that the riser pushes the deflector out enough that I once again can easily see in the chamber.
Thought it might cause some issues, so I took it out to my range & shot a couple of hundred rounds thru the gun. I had no failures whatsoever & the back of my Gator was littered with brass that fell straight down. I was very pleased. A couple of rounds escaped over the top, in the gap I created, but those likewise fell straight down. The vast majority just deflected as advertised.
I am keeping this on my gun now. I love not throwing brass out into my pastures & feel much safer following my normal safety procedures of checking the chamber quickly.
So I gave it some thought, and decided to mount it to a UTG low profile riser mount that I had sitting around. My logic being, if I used the deflector, it would be nice to be able to remove it without tools. So I put it on, and yes it comes off much easier but the really cool thing is that the riser pushes the deflector out enough that I once again can easily see in the chamber.
Thought it might cause some issues, so I took it out to my range & shot a couple of hundred rounds thru the gun. I had no failures whatsoever & the back of my Gator was littered with brass that fell straight down. I was very pleased. A couple of rounds escaped over the top, in the gap I created, but those likewise fell straight down. The vast majority just deflected as advertised.
I am keeping this on my gun now. I love not throwing brass out into my pastures & feel much safer following my normal safety procedures of checking the chamber quickly.
78Staff
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Very cool ideal - I like this mod. May have to pick one up now.
SWS need to put together a package deal for the 15-22 - seems like I need to order 3 or 4 items from them
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SWS need to put together a package deal for the 15-22 - seems like I need to order 3 or 4 items from them
.Redneck- could you provide a link to the UTG riser mount and some instructions on how to attach everything together? Instructions need to be at a "how to attach this for dummies" level since I am not experienced whatsoever and have only shot my 15-22 once. I am ordering the deflector and this sounds like an excellent idea.
Zax
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I would install it as designed for best performance, but if you want to make it removable, it's just a UTG low profile riser ($10).
Leapers UTG 0.5" High 3-Slot Low-Profile Compact Riser Mount MNT-RS05S3
I'm not sure what length redneck used, they have 2, 3 or 4 slot versions. It looks like a 3 slot would work.
Put the riser on, then slide the deflector on it and lock in place with the set screw (as you would to the rail). That's all there is to it, simple. Then if you need to remove it you can use the thumb screw.
They may make one with a quick disconnect, which would be even easier.
Leapers UTG 0.5" High 3-Slot Low-Profile Compact Riser Mount MNT-RS05S3
I'm not sure what length redneck used, they have 2, 3 or 4 slot versions. It looks like a 3 slot would work.
Put the riser on, then slide the deflector on it and lock in place with the set screw (as you would to the rail). That's all there is to it, simple. Then if you need to remove it you can use the thumb screw.
They may make one with a quick disconnect, which would be even easier.
RedNeck Jim
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That is what I used, as I had one sitting around. I agree that best performance will be to mount directly to the rail however I wanted a QD, in case of say a stovepipe or some other jam. I felt naked shooting without checking the chamber. To me it was like driving without a seat belt attached... like this just ain't right.
If I were to purchase something, I probably would get this.
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Should have been clearer. Checking is always part of gun safety, but leaving it open for range officer to quickly see is a different issue.
RedNeck Jim
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My suggestion to you would be to shoot the snot out of your gun before changing anything. This allows you to get a feel for how YOUR gun acts, as they all don't act the same. Then you have a baseline to determine how certain additions impact your gun. For example, if after shooting your gun a bunch with no failures, then you run into failures after say switching triggers or adding the deflector, then you know what caused the issue. Case in point, my basic gun always shot great but after I installed a Timney trigger, I had numerous failures... including FTF & FTE. Since I had prior experience, I knew the trigger was at fault. I did some research, switched to CMC, and have had no failures since.
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