SWS Brass Deflector Gen 2

[Majorlk]

Looking forward to getting the brass deflector. What are the chances of brass hitting off the deflector and going back into the bolt area? Any testers want to comment on this?

That's why the deflector was redesigned. The angle was changed and the slots eliminated. Not going to say it can't happen, but almost 1k through two rifles during the beta testing of the Gen 2 deflector resulted in zero bounce backs.

 

[Locked-N-Loaded]

You mean looking thru the mag well? My shooting technique is to always turn the gun over sideways to verify the chamber after finishing off a magazine. You sure wouldn't want to attempt to chamber a new round if the barrel was obstructed. I don't count rounds while shooting, so the only way I know I have an empty mag, as opposed to some failure, it to glance at the chamber.

I guess I assumed everyone did a chamber check.

I do a chamber check, like you, by tilting to the side. Each and every time. Flip to safe, tilt to side and visualize.

This alone is the main reason I cannot get on board. As a righty I don't need the device, as cool as it is, but I might of found a reason to want the device, but not in the present configuration. Not hating at all, very nice product and clean design, but I cannot forgo an easy chamber visualization with a simple minor twist.

I watched the device and it's versions along the way, I think there could have been a happy medium between solid and slot holes. For example, dozens and dozens of smaller holes like perforations that would allow you to visualize the chamber, but not big enough for brass to be affected by being caught in a cut out and deflected. IMHO that is.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

So I installed this new version & loved the look of it, however as I feared, it blocked too much of my view of the chamber. I'm not saying this is not a great product for others... just not for me due to the way I do a safety check.

So I gave it some thought, and decided to mount it to a UTG low profile riser mount that I had sitting around. My logic being, if I used the deflector, it would be nice to be able to remove it without tools. So I put it on, and yes it comes off much easier but the really cool thing is that the riser pushes the deflector out enough that I once again can easily see in the chamber.

Thought it might cause some issues, so I took it out to my range & shot a couple of hundred rounds thru the gun. I had no failures whatsoever & the back of my Gator was littered with brass that fell straight down. I was very pleased. A couple of rounds escaped over the top, in the gap I created, but those likewise fell straight down. The vast majority just deflected as advertised.

I am keeping this on my gun now. I love not throwing brass out into my pastures & feel much safer following my normal safety procedures of checking the chamber quickly.

 

[78Staff]

Very cool ideal - I like this mod. May have to pick one up now.

SWS need to put together a package deal for the 15-22 - seems like I need to order 3 or 4 items from them .

 

[JessicaB]

Redneck- could you provide a link to the UTG riser mount and some instructions on how to attach everything together? Instructions need to be at a "how to attach this for dummies" level since I am not experienced whatsoever and have only shot my 15-22 once. I am ordering the deflector and this sounds like an excellent idea.

 

[PeteB]

RedNeck Jim: I like your mod. Please add me to your list for detailed instructions. Thanks...

Pete

 

[Zax]

I would install it as designed for best performance, but if you want to make it removable, it's just a UTG low profile riser ($10).

Leapers UTG 0.5" High 3-Slot Low-Profile Compact Riser Mount MNT-RS05S3

I'm not sure what length redneck used, they have 2, 3 or 4 slot versions. It looks like a 3 slot would work.

Put the riser on, then slide the deflector on it and lock in place with the set screw (as you would to the rail). That's all there is to it, simple. Then if you need to remove it you can use the thumb screw.

They may make one with a quick disconnect, which would be even easier.

Redneck- could you provide a link to the UTG riser mount and some instructions on how to attach everything together? Instructions need to be at a "how to attach this for dummies" level since I am not experienced whatsoever and have only shot my 15-22 once. I am ordering the deflector and this sounds like an excellent idea.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

I would install it as designed for best performance, but if you want to make it removable, it's just a UTG low profile riser ($10).

Leapers UTG 0.5" High 3-Slot Low-Profile Compact Riser Mount MNT-RS05S3

That is what I used, as I had one sitting around. I agree that best performance will be to mount directly to the rail however I wanted a QD, in case of say a stovepipe or some other jam. I felt naked shooting without checking the chamber. To me it was like driving without a seat belt attached... like this just ain't right.



If I were to purchase something, I probably would get this.

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[HRArms]

If? I thought checking the chamber was an integral component of gun safety. At least it is for me.

I have the initial model. Curious from you guys already using the latest gen, how this impacts clearing jams? Can you see in there & can you get in there to clear the jam?

Should have been clearer. Checking is always part of gun safety, but leaving it open for range officer to quickly see is a different issue.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

Instructions need to be at a "how to attach this for dummies" level since I am not experienced whatsoever and have only shot my 15-22 once. I am ordering the deflector and this sounds like an excellent idea.

My suggestion to you would be to shoot the snot out of your gun before changing anything. This allows you to get a feel for how YOUR gun acts, as they all don't act the same. Then you have a baseline to determine how certain additions impact your gun. For example, if after shooting your gun a bunch with no failures, then you run into failures after say switching triggers or adding the deflector, then you know what caused the issue. Case in point, my basic gun always shot great but after I installed a Timney trigger, I had numerous failures... including FTF & FTE. Since I had prior experience, I knew the trigger was at fault. I did some research, switched to CMC, and have had no failures since.

 

[SimpleWeaponSolutions]

Redneck- could you provide a link to the UTG riser mount and some instructions on how to attach everything together? Instructions need to be at a "how to attach this for dummies" level since I am not experienced whatsoever and have only shot my 15-22 once. I am ordering the deflector and this sounds like an excellent idea.

 

[SimpleWeaponSolutions]

My suggestion to you would be to shoot the snot out of your gun before changing anything. This allows you to get a feel for how YOUR gun acts, as they all don't act the same. Then you have a baseline to determine how certain additions impact your gun.

This is exactly what new shooters should do before changing out parts. Changing out multiple parts at once may impact how the firearm works. It can be a part out of spec or incorrect install or they just do not work together.

Took my version 2 to the range today. Worked perfectly for the 100 rounds I shot. Thanks for the replacement. It looks great on the gun.

You have to look hard, especially in the rather low light of my indoor range, but you can visually check that there is not a round in the breech. It is a little difficult, but worth it to not have hot brass hitting my arm.

Awesome!

 

[SimpleWeaponSolutions]

So I installed this new version & loved the look of it, however as I feared, it blocked too much of my view of the chamber. I'm not saying this is not a great product for others... just not for me due to the way I do a safety check.

So I gave it some thought, and decided to mount it to a UTG low profile riser mount that I had sitting around. My logic being, if I used the deflector, it would be nice to be able to remove it without tools. So I put it on, and yes it comes off much easier but the really cool thing is that the riser pushes the deflector out enough that I once again can easily see in the chamber.

Thought it might cause some issues, so I took it out to my range & shot a couple of hundred rounds thru the gun. I had no failures whatsoever & the back of my Gator was littered with brass that fell straight down. I was very pleased. A couple of rounds escaped over the top, in the gap I created, but those likewise fell straight down. The vast majority just deflected as advertised.

I am keeping this on my gun now. I love not throwing brass out into my pastures & feel much safer following my normal safety procedures of checking the chamber quickly.

That is an excellent mod!

 

[SimpleWeaponSolutions]

Made it to the range this morning with the new brass deflector. Fired 150 rounds and had 13 bounce back into the chamber using Winchester M-22 ammunition. I will try to get back there in a few days and test with other ammunition.

I will also install the 45 degree prototype (without the slots) that worked really well for me. It that one is better, I may just paint it black.

I don't want to be the bearer of bad news, I love the concept, the product, and how SWS has taken care of things through all of this. I was the first person to post about bounce back problems, and feel this whole thing is kind of my fault. I think my rifle just has a strange ejection pattern!

Well ****, keep me posted on how the 45° prototype deflector works out for you.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

That is an excellent mod!

For what it is worth, I think your great product would be even better if mounted on a QD lever mount, such as what I pictured above. As we all know, the 22 has a tendency to jam every so often & having something hard mounted that blocks the chamber could be troublesome, if you didn't bring your tools.

If yours was designed to mount to a QD low riser, and mount flush as it does now, would be great. Same reliability as now but with a QD. Then you could offer the medium & high risers for those that wish to see the chamber better.

But for me, mounting your product on a low riser is perfect, but not so for someone who wants the tight fit.

 

[Freeway]

Well ****, keep me posted on how the 45° prototype deflector works out for you.

I went through 150 rounds of Winchester M-22. Maybe the problem is with the lot production. Ordered it from Cabelas as I'm sure a lot of people here did. I will also check the other boxes of M-22 I have and see if they are the same lot number. At least none of mine were on the recall list.

I will also try several different types of ammunition before going back to the 45 degree prototype.

Thanks for the concern! I still think my rifle has a weird ejection pattern, which is why I had more problems than everyone else.

 

[JessicaB]

I should clarify what I meant my shooting only once. I've only gone to the range once to shoot my rifle. Shot about 300 rounds through it with some FTE and FTF. Winchester bulk pack so I expected some FTF as the bulk pack Winchesters tend to be really loose and they can be twisted very easily. I've also heard there tends to be "duds" in bulk packs. It could have also been the way I loaded the mags since I had to load the mags quite hurriedly.

 

[LarryP]

Bump for a great product, with terrific customer service. My daughter no longer gets clobbered in the eye with casings (she likes to shoot prone) and so both of us are happy.

She has no issues checking for clear (nor I, double checking her) and we've experienced no problems whatsoever (either with bounce back or anything else). FYI, she is not using a riser, either.

Many thanks.

 

[Freeway]

Made it to the range this morning to try both the new deflector, and the previous 45 degree prototype. Here's what I found...

Ammunition
Aguila Interceptor
Aguila SuperMaximum
CCI Mini-Mag CPRN
CCI Segmented HP Subsonic
CCI Standard Velocity
CCI Stinger
CCI Tactical
CCI Velocitor
Federal AE Supressor
Winchester M-22

Tried 10 rounds of each with both deflectors (100 rounds with each).
New deflector - 7 bounce backs
45 degree prototype - 1 bounce back

Both deflectors shared a bounce back with the Aguila SuperMaximum, which is advertised at 1750 fps. Left the 45 degree prototype deflector attached and fired another 120 rounds of Winchester M-22 with no additional failures.

For everyone else here, I firmly believe that the ejection pattern for shell casings can vary between rifles, and that mine is kind of a problem child. My rifle likes the 45 degree prototype the best. SWS has done an amazing job at creating a great product, and went above and beyond to make the original design better! I have been contacted personally several times and was always treated well. I'm really thinking about the new charging handle latch SWS offers.

Even though the new design doesn't work as well on MY rifle as the prototype, several people have asked about it, and I highly recommended the deflector to all of them (I hope they all order one!).

Kind of off topic... The prototype deflector is not anodized or painted. Thinking about some Flat Dark Earth furniture from Magpul and would like to paint the deflector. Does anyone know what colour would match?

 

[WilsonFlyer]

So I installed this new version & loved the look of it, however as I feared, it blocked too much of my view of the chamber. I'm not saying this is not a great product for others... just not for me due to the way I do a safety check.

So I gave it some thought, and decided to mount it to a UTG low profile riser mount that I had sitting around. My logic being, if I used the deflector, it would be nice to be able to remove it without tools. So I put it on, and yes it comes off much easier but the really cool thing is that the riser pushes the deflector out enough that I once again can easily see in the chamber.

Thought it might cause some issues, so I took it out to my range & shot a couple of hundred rounds thru the gun. I had no failures whatsoever & the back of my Gator was littered with brass that fell straight down. I was very pleased. A couple of rounds escaped over the top, in the gap I created, but those likewise fell straight down. The vast majority just deflected as advertised.

I am keeping this on my gun now. I love not throwing brass out into my pastures & feel much safer following my normal safety procedures of checking the chamber quickly.

THAT, I would buy.

 

[SimpleWeaponSolutions]

Bump for a great product, with terrific customer service. My daughter no longer gets clobbered in the eye with casings (she likes to shoot prone) and so both of us are happy.

She has no issues checking for clear (nor I, double checking her) and we've experienced no problems whatsoever (either with bounce back or anything else). FYI, she is not using a riser, either.

Many thanks.

Glad to hear the brass deflector is helping your daughter to enjoy shooting.

Made it to the range this morning to try both the new deflector, and the previous 45 degree prototype. Here's what I found...

Ammunition
Aguila Interceptor
Aguila SuperMaximum
CCI Mini-Mag CPRN
CCI Segmented HP Subsonic
CCI Standard Velocity
CCI Stinger
CCI Tactical
CCI Velocitor
Federal AE Supressor
Winchester M-22

Tried 10 rounds of each with both deflectors (100 rounds with each).
New deflector - 7 bounce backs
45 degree prototype - 1 bounce back

Both deflectors shared a bounce back with the Aguila SuperMaximum, which is advertised at 1750 fps. Left the 45 degree prototype deflector attached and fired another 120 rounds of Winchester M-22 with no additional failures.

For everyone else here, I firmly believe that the ejection pattern for shell casings can vary between rifles, and that mine is kind of a problem child. My rifle likes the 45 degree prototype the best. SWS has done an amazing job at creating a great product, and went above and beyond to make the original design better! I have been contacted personally several times and was always treated well. I'm really thinking about the new charging handle latch SWS offers.

Even though the new design doesn't work as well on MY rifle as the prototype, several people have asked about it, and I highly recommended the deflector to all of them (I hope they all order one!).

Kind of off topic... The prototype deflector is not anodized or painted. Thinking about some Flat Dark Earth furniture from Magpul and would like to paint the deflector. Does anyone know what colour would match?

Hope the 45° prototype continues to work out for you. I would look into Krylon or Duracoat, I think they make some tans that are very close to the Magpul FDE.

THAT, I would buy.

RedNeck Jim is using a Leaper QD riser and just attaching the brass deflector to it. That will be the best solutions for those that want/need it.



There will not be any further refinement to the brass deflector, the Gen 2 is the final design.

 

[jsb527]

Simple Weapon Solutions M&P 15-22 Brass Deflector Gen 2 is now available.

The 15-22 ejects the brass straight out to the right. If you are a left handed shooter, like me, the brass often ejects into your right arm. With the brass deflector most of the brass will drop straight down into a nice pile.

The brass deflector can also be useful to right handed shooters as it will keep the brass from bouncing off lane dividers and landing back onto you, or hitting shooters in the lanes next to you.

The Brass Deflector is designed to work with most optics that are mounted to the top rail above the ejection port. However with the wide variety of optics and mounts that are available, the Brass Deflector may not work with your setup.


The Brass Deflector Kit comes with

• 1 Picatinny Mount
• 1 Shield
• 1 Nylon Tip Set Screw
• 2 Button Head Screws
• 1 1/8 Hex L Key
• 1 3/32 Hex L Key

Retail Price $40.00 + $2.00 S&H (No International Shipping)

It is highly recommended that you use medium strength thread locker, such as 242 Blue Loctite. Only a small amount is needed to keep the screws from backing out during firing. Do not over tighten the nylon tip set screw, as you can cause damage to your rail. Run the screw down until it touches the rail and then tighten 1/8 - 1/4 turn.

This brass deflector is designed to work only with the Smith and Wesson M&P 15-22 and will not work with .223 / 5.56 AR15 rifles.

If you are a current customer and are having issues with the Gen 1 Brass Deflector, please email [email protected]

There will not be any further refinement to the brass deflector, the Gen 2 is the final design.

Hello All! The simple weapon solutions website does not appear to be functioning. Does anybody know where I can buy the Gen 2 brass deflector from or something similar to it?

 

[cjt50]

I think he had a presence on ebay and facebook.

He was getting busy with other stuff and backed away from the 15-22 accessories. Shame, he made some nice stuff and stood behind his work.

 

[Gopher Slayer]

If you can't get one I can send you mine when I get back home in two weeks.

I was one of the proto-testers and got one for free so you can thank SWS if you want it. It's a great product, but I did a handguard conversion on my 15-22 and the deflector has no place to mount to my rifle.






Put me down as one of the testers for a top rail mounted brass deflector that would work on pretty much every handguard.