Terminology of S&W Firearms

[gmborkovic]

OK. Lets finalize this.
1. Its a yoke , not a crane.
2. Its a standard barrel, not a pencil barrel.
3. Its a M&P, not a 1905 4th change.
4. Its a pair of stocks, not grips.
5. Its a front sight, not a front site.
Please contribute to the list. Mike 2796

 

[NOTREDAME]

front sight

It's a Patridge, not a partridge

 

[DWalt]

It's an extractor rod, not an ejector rod.

 

[Doc44]

It is the extractor, not the extractor star.

Bill

 

[jinx]

Hope this includes semi autos. It is a magazine, not a clip.

 

[rct269]

This is SO tempting----and I know better----but what's right is right!!

It is what it is. It is NOT a "pre" anything.

Ralph Tremaine

 

[BigBill]

Call it what you want ill understand it. Politically correct is ok too.

The overflow dynaflow broke on my auto today. Lol sorry.

 

[wheelgun610]

.... It is NOT a "pre" anything.

But, but.... Aw, nevermind....

 

[glowe]

It is a 32 & 38 Safety and not "Lemon Squeezer!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kraynky]

Don't stop now!........ These are good!

 

[Mike McLellan]

It's either a round butt or a square butt; not a nice butt.

 

[DCWilson]

It's a hammer nose, not a firing pin.

Those stocks have checking, not checkering.

Stock segments are cheek pieces, not sides.

As a matter of principle I will remain disobedient and noncompliant on the whole ejector/extractor thing. Regardless of what it says in the parts diagrams, "eject" implies pushing and "extract" implies pulling. But if we choose to ignore root meanings and accept the label as correct in the diagrams and part lists, the whole class of modern revolvers ought then to be called Hand Extractors. There are bad consequences of insisting on that level of terminological purity. Anybody here want to be the first to tell the Ol' Silverback that he must change his forum handle on grounds of simple consistency with an unachievable ideal?

Thought not.

 

[DWalt]

"...accept the label as correct in the diagrams and part lists, the whole class of modern revolvers ought then to be called Hand Extractors."

That inconsistency has been recognized several times in the past. But the parts diagrams (at least for S&W) call it an extractor. I think Colt calls their corresponding revolver parts "ejector."

 

[glowe]

. . . Regardless of what it says in the parts diagrams, "eject" implies pushing and "extract" implies pulling . . .

Actually, when you think about the action of the "star", it is pulling the cases from the cylinder. Same on a top-break, the action of eliminating the cylinder of brass is to pull them up from a stationary cylinder until they fall out. Tip-Ups have what is called an ejector rod and not an extractor rod, since you push the empties out of the cylinder by moving the cylinder and ejecting the brass (or copper). I think the schematics and parts descriptions actually might have it right.

 

[lebomm]

Actually, "eject" means to "throw out". As you suggested, "extract" means to "pull out". And it's a cartridge, not a bullet. It's a bullet, not a slug or "bullet head". They are chambers or charge holes, not cylinders. And finally, it's a cylinder, not a "barrel".
Anybody got any more ?

Larry

 

[Rick Bowles]

Not for nothin' but it's a revolver and NOT a pistol!...unless we're talking semi-auto handguns.

 

[Rick Bowles]

....and my biggest pet peeve, unless you're talking about a specific military gun, it's not a "weapon", it's a firearm or a bullet launcher or a perforating device etc.

 

[Laketime]

Coke bottle stocks. aka Cokes. One of the biggest offenders here.Personally I'm ok with the gun slang.

 

[JSR III]

As a S&W purist, I have been promoting many of these terms for some time and receiving much flak for doing so.

Not to play both sides of this discussion but one must remember that there were S&W official company terms like stocks, checking and yoke and then there are terms that arise from the factory floor like "bug" screw and my favorite gun the .22/32 was referred to on the floor as a 32/22 since it was a .32 that became a .22. Lemon squeezer, Ladysmith are other terms that fall into this area.

Unfortunately, since D.B. and Horace's day many things have changed. The current non family ownership and several of their corporate predecessors have failed to keep up some of these traditions and fallen into the main stream of gun jargon by using terms like grips, checkering etc.

They have even recycled old workhorse terms like Ladysmith to become Lady Smith and Chief Special to become a semi automatic when we all know that a Chief Special will always be a small J frame revolver in .38 special. Oh, the horrors of change and progress??????

As far as the whole ejector/extractor debate. The dictionary defines EXTRACT as to remove or take out. EJECT is to force or throw out.

I think one could argue that the gun was called a hand ejector because you could remove all of the spent shells in one motion as opposed to using the rammer pin located under the barrel and pushing out the cases one at a time.

The gun was referred to a hand ejector but the device or mechanism on the gun that facilitated this action was called both the ejector and the extractor depending on where you read it.

Kind of reminds me of "you say tomato and I say tomato" and is it global warming or climate change?????

 

[Mike McLellan]

Oh yeah. S&W calls it a cylinder stop, while Colt calls it a locking bolt.