The Ahmaud Arbery Shooting

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Could it be that he doesn't want his house burned down, or the mob to track him down ?

Anything is possible, but most of what he said is easily verifiable. Are there any Police reports of burglaries in the area? Did he report the fishing pole theft to anyone? Have he and the McMichaels has contact? Had he ever had contact with Arbery? Is he afraid of “the mob”? Good questions an investigator will surely ask.
 
You don't see the irony in you saying it gets old people bashing California and you calling it Kalif to emphasis the Soviet style spelling?
Like said, I live here but dont support the statsi policies. The high & mighty bs of so called red states that gets thrown around gets old, and isnt so clear cut anymore. Every red state has a liberal strong hold with bad policy that can affect the entire state over time. Look where Co has gone & Texas is going.
 
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fredj338, you've gone on and on about Zimmerman. That one clearly disturbed you.

If someone was following you, you do not therefore have the right to stop and beat the man. What you have a right to do is talk to the person, ignore him, walk or run away from him, and even call the police on him. You do not have the right to begin beating the person, to pin him down, and pound his head into the sidewalk. If you did the latter, the person might even have the right to shoot you.

No what disturbs me is gun owners that think their gun gives them a certain position of authority. So ask yourself, would I get involved with this if I wasnt carrying a gun? If your answer is no, then don't. Zimmerman was a total moron. He put himself into a situation where he would not have if unarmed. i dont see much diff in this current mess. Sure Zimmerman was justified in defending himself, but placed himself in that confrontation. Not inlike this current bs.
Flip it around. If it was a white guy in a black neighborhood doing exactly the same thing & two blacks pulled up with guns & the white guy got killed, pretty sure a totally diff story line. Pretty sure it wouldnt have taken more than a few days to indite them. How people cant see this is disturbing to me but I really am not surprised.
 
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Flip it around. If it was a white guy in a black neighborhood doing exactly the same thing & two blacks pulled up with guns & the white guy got killed, pretty sure a totally diff story line. Pretty sure it wouldnt have taken more than a few days to indite them. How people cant see this is disturbing to me but I really am not surprised.

Maybe, maybe not. There is a lot of stuff that doesn't make the front page that would make your hair stand up.

After the Rodney King incident, I was sickened by some black LEOs I worked with justifying the Reginald Denny beating by saying black folks weren't going to take it anymore. I couldn't have been more disappointed or disgusted to hear it. I told them I thought they should turn in their badges if they felt that way.

Hate crimes of any stripe are abhorrent. The law, and law enforcement should be color blind. I can only speak for myself, but I have never allowed race to color my actions. I believe the same would be true of most of us. At least I want to believe it.

And there is a place for those who wouldn't...
 
About the Zimmer case, as I recall the story that he chased Martin down was BS.

And most likely if Zimmerman had of be unarmed he would have likely have sustained serious life threatening injuries.

Correct.... Zimmerman lived in the Condo complex which had turned into a Dope hole complete with vehicle/ residential burglaries in the Complex. He Volunteered to be the designated Crime Watch person and arrived home to see a Subject walking between buildings in the rain...He called Sanford Police and was on a taped line, giving a description when he lost sight of Martin.

The Complaint Officer( non-sworn) asked “ What is he doing now?” Zimmerman exited his Vehicle and attempted to locate the Subject. The C.O . than asked” Are you following him?” When Z advised yes, the C.O. Stated “ Don’t do that”

As He was returning to his Vehicle ,he was suddenly and violently attacked and knocked to the ground. Neighbors testified at the Trial they heard him screaming for help.This resulted in additional calls to 911.....As his head was repeatedly smashed against the concrete walkway, he managed to produce his 9mm keltec, firing one shot at point blank range.

Responding Units finally arrived and Z was treated for his injuries by Fire-Rescue @ the P.D. It wasn’t until several hours later that Martin was Identified by his Father who had been out with the Female who lived at the Complex.


To get back to THIS case, did the McMichaels ever call this in, as they should have, before attempting to apprehend the Subject? What crime had the Victim committed that they witnessed or were aware of? What was the justification for them getting involved? Why not use common sense and call it in and follow at a safe distance until a Marked Unit arrived, instead of a confrontation with a shotgun?

No, these two cases are completely different.
 
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More info, here:

Suspects in Arbery shooting had earlier neighborhood confrontation

There's a lot more info that will be forthcoming.

Unfortunately, this seems to be an event that many are taking an
emotional approach to (regardless of "side")--with the existing info
and video, there's still a lot of misinformation being bandied about,
even tho the vid and info directly contravene it.
 
If my wife and I were safe, there is nothing in my house that I would kill anybody over for taking.

In fact, I often leave the front door unlocked, and once my wife is safely in the truck, I go back into the house , secure a $100 bill to the collar of her yippy *** dog along with a note that says TAKE ME, AND THIS MONEY IS YOURS, and leave the door slightly ajar when I leave.
 
I doubt they meant to kill him but I bet they also didn't expect him to fight back. They're in the wrong and as stated above, if they're not convicted of at least manslaughter, their lives are over. Everything they own or ever will own is gone. Their lives as anonymous citizens is over.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 
Correct.... Zimmerman lived in the Condo complex which had turned into a Dope hole complete with vehicle/ residential burglaries in the Complex. He Volunteered to be the designated Crime Watch person and arrived home to see a Subject walking between buildings in the rain...He called Sanford Police and was on a taped line, giving a description when he lost sight of Martin.

The Complaint Officer( non-sworn) asked “ What is he doing now?” Zimmerman exited his Vehicle and attempted to locate the Subject. The C.O . than asked” Are you following him?” When Z advised yes, the C.O. Stated “ Don’t do that”

As He was returning to his Vehicle ,he was suddenly and violently attacked and knocked to the ground. Neighbors testified at the Trial they heard him screaming for help.This resulted in additional calls to 911.....As his head was repeatedly smashed against the concrete walkway, he managed to produce his 9mm keltec, firing one shot at point blank range.

Responding Units finally arrived and Z was treated for his injuries by Fire-Rescue @ the P.D. It wasn’t until several hours later that Martin was Identified by his Father who had been out with the Female who lived at the Complex.


To get back to THIS case, did the McMichaels ever call this in, as they should have, before attempting to apprehend the Subject? What crime had the Victim committed that they witnessed or were aware of? What was the justification for them getting involved? Why not use common sense and call it in and follow at a safe distance until a Marked Unit arrived, instead of a confrontation with a shotgun?

No, these two cases are completely different.
What crime did Martin innitially commit? No i see these two case are very similar. Both deaths were preventable by just being a good witness. Want to play cop, go join the force. Both shooters went looking for trouble with loaded guns. Zimms shooting was justified but preventable & instigated by his actions. Just like this current incident. Why they are very much the same.
 
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I doubt they meant to kill him but I bet they also didn't expect him to fight back. They're in the wrong and as stated above, if they're not convicted of at least manslaughter, their lives are over. Everything they own or ever will own is gone. Their lives as anonymous citizens is over.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

That is just criminal stupid! You jump out of a truck & point guns at people, *** do you think is going to happen?? Fight or flight, be preoared for both. Were they intent on killing him? Well they took loaded guns, not airsofts so if I were on that jury, I would be thinking yeah, there was a certain intent. Trouble did not come to them, they went looking for it.
 
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What crime did Martin innitially commit?
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Felony assault. Zimmerman didn’t confront Martin, didn’t try to detain Martin, and didn’t point a point a gun at Martin until it was necessary to defend his life. You don’t get to commit a deadly assault on someone like Martin did just because you think that person is following you. Zimmerman had bad judgement, but not illegal behavior.

In this Georgia case you had two guys using deadly force, trying to hold someone at gunpoint, because they thought he committed some unknown property theft. We’ll have to see if Georgia law allows use of deadly force to stop someone you think might have committed a property crime (or actually committed a property crime). Where I live you can’t. In Georgia it might be OK.
 
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What crime did Martin innitially commit? No i see these two case are very similar. Both deaths were preventable by just being a good witness. Want to play cop, go join the force. Both shooters went looking for trouble with loaded guns. Zimms shooting was justified but preventable & instigated by his actions. Just like this current incident. Why they are very much the same.

What crime did Zimmerman commit? Reporting the actions of a suspicious person to the police and attempting to relay his whereabouts so they could investigate? He was being a good witness when he was assaulted violently by a kid who had no reason to assault him other than “he dissed me so I gotta show him what’s up” Zimmerman did NOTHING illegal that night. His weapon was legally purchased and carried and not displayed. There wasn’t a mark in Trayvon Martin other than bruised knuckles. Eyewitnesses and physical evidence show he was the aggressor. Funny how some can criminalize asking a question while excusing violent assault in response to that question.

Trayvon was walking in the rain, in between houses, and looking into them. The neighborhood watchman called the cops and kept tabs on him to relay his location. Kid assaults watchman. Watchman fired a shot to prevent his head from continuing to be banged into pavement.

The two cowboys were stupid to try and engage this kid who was definitely NOT out for an invigorating jog, but was it criminal? That’s up to a Georgia jury, which will almost certainly convict them regardless if it was criminal or not.
 
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What crime did Martin innitially commit? No i see these two case are very similar. Both deaths were preventable by just being a good witness. Want to play cop, go join the force. Both shooters went looking for trouble with loaded guns. Zimms shooting was justified but preventable & instigated by his actions. Just like this current incident. Why they are very much the same.

Florida Statute 856.021. Loitering and Prowling...... Arrestable misdemeanor Offense, read the Statute...Subject was wandering around on private property, late at night, in the rain and had No ID.
 
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Florida Statute 856.021. Loitering and Prowling.

Now some will say "Oh, but that's not a REAL crime!". Like this kid walking into a home he doesn't own and looking around was "only trespassing. it wasn't a REAL crime". I imagine the homeowner would have a much bigger problem with it if he wasn't afraid to be villifed for saying he did

Why didn't he steal anything? Probably because he was on foot and not prepared to carry something off.
 
When it comes to juries and defense lawyers OJ ALWAYS comes to mind.
This new ...Trial by Social Media thing isn't right !
Reminds me of the lynch mob storming the jail and hanging someone because they heard he had committed a crime .
That's not justice . This is one of the really bad aspects of Social Media ... way to easy to sit in judgement and not have the facts .
I've sat on too many juries to know the facts inside the courtroom and the facts as portrayed by the "media" are sometimes quite different . Sometimes so different it is frightening to me .
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What crime did Martin innitially commit? No i see these two case are very similar. Both deaths were preventable by just being a good witness. Want to play cop, go join the force. Both shooters went looking for trouble with loaded guns. Zimms shooting was justified but preventable & instigated by his actions. Just like this current incident. Why they are very much the same.

You might want to brush up on the details of that case.
 
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