The Ahmaud Arbery Shooting

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Who wouldn’t attempt to get away from two vehicles, one with two armed men in it, pursuing you, on foot? Who involved in this thread would submit to a citizens arrest? He probably thought he would wind up dead, and he certainly did. The dynamic duo purposely chased the jogger down, initiated a confrontation that resulted in a death. On video.
 
More evidence surfacing daily. Arbery was videotaped and chased by two vehicles in multiple directions on several streets for 4 minutes trying to get away

Got a link to this new vid?

I saw a FOX page that referenced an attorney talking about
this new vid that showed a chase, but no vid showed on the
page.

I've only seen the initial video, that shows the truck, parked
and stationary.
 
Got a link to this new vid?

I saw a FOX page that referenced an attorney talking about
this new vid that showed a chase, but no vid showed on the
page.

I've only seen the initial video, that shows the truck, parked
and stationary.

I haven’t seen the video. I don’t know if it’s been released. Based on 911 calls and locations reported by the callers, which are time stamped, 4 minutes is easily provable. As is the route of travel as they were trying to get the cops to their location which kept changing. More investigation will result in more answers. I’ve heard The NY Times has a big article on this, but I’m not a subscriber so I haven’t read it. As always, those arrested are innocent until proven guilty. Also as always, there is more to every story. That’s why there is an investigation.
 
This is reported to be Arbery in a Nov 2017 interaction with local Police.

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Lots of things will be brought out by those trying to shape public opinion. Looks like if this is Arbery, he was pretty disrespectful. At the same time, there are reports that McMichael’s gun and badge were taken away from him twice. Once was for failure to take training several years to include mandatory use of force training. Is that relevant to this? Who knows, certainly not me. I don’t know it to be true. I do know that we are a few days into an investigation that should have been done two months ago. I find that to be a little odd.
 
Lots of things will be brought out by those trying to shape public opinion. Looks like if this is Arbery, he was pretty disrespectful. At the same time, there are reports that McMichael’s gun and badge were taken away from him twice. Once was for failure to take training several years to include mandatory use of force training. Is that relevant to this? Who knows, certainly not me. I don’t know it to be true. I do know that we are a few days into an investigation that should have been done two months ago. I find that to be a little odd.

I personally think the Michaels were stupid to have armed up to chase this guy down over a property crime. I also personally think that Arbery was not out for a jog when he was set upon for no reason. His criminal history and the video tell me all I need to know about him. The video in the park support my belief about him. Disrespectful is being kind in describing him. He didn’t look all that worried when uniformed cops were pointing tasers, I doubt he blinked twice at the Michaels and their shotguns. Doesn’t mean I believe he should have been shot for trying to get away. But he certainly contributed to his demise. Would I submit to a Citizens arrest? Nope. But then again I would know one wasn't warranted since I don’t commit crimes. This is like a shoplifter fighting with security. They know they’re caught, they just don’t feel they should be penalized for it.

As for no investigation being done, we don’t know that. If it is true that long guns can be carried loaded in their state, and if it is true that it is legal to make a citizens arrest for the crime Arbery was suspected of, and I think we all agree that it is legal to shoot someone who is attempting to wrestle your weapon away from you, the investigation would rule that there was no crime committed. Wise move by defendants? Of course not. And I’m sure they regret it.

As for why they waited two months to make the arrest? Political correctness. The Bronx DA charged 4 cops with murder after they shot Amadou Diallo when he reached for his wallet. Every legal expert in the country said that was overreach. Hillary Clinton even referred to the cops as the ones who “murdered Amadou Diallo”. She is a trained lawyer. She knew it wasn’t murder, , but she got her cheers from the audience she was speaking to at the moment she made the statement. Same for Zimmerman. Charged him with murder when they knew damn well shooting a person who was bashing your head against concrete isn’t murder. But the public demanded it so the authorities bent to mob rule. Darren Wilson, the cop who shot Michael Brown, after a proven struggle for his gun after an assault, And the “Hands up Don’t shoot” he was on his knees begging for his life, story was proven bogus, was found not guilty in a court but was fired anyway. The mob demanded it and they got what they wanted. A married cop with a pregnant wife shoots a guy resisting lawful arrest who assaulted him and tried to take his gun loses everything. Thank you for your service, indeed!

And yes, the media has chosen their victim and already affixed the halo and angel wings to a lowlife. No different than Gentle Giant Michael Brown, using a 3 year old picture of Trayvon Martin being a smiling little lass, rather then the thug his school and Facebook page showed him to be, not to mention the parents who passed him back and forth between each other due to his behavior. So in the court of public opinion, they are guilty and will soon be sharing cells and rec yards with people who act just like Arbery.

But the mob rule doesn’t just demand the Michaels be crucified, but the man who shot the video, without which there would be NO case at all, has been deemed to be guilty of murder as well, so he has received death threats, lost his job, is in hiding, and the lawyers for the Arbery family are calling for his head, as well. Never mind that he voluntarily took and passed a polygraph, which specifically asked him if he was armed, if he spoke to the Michaels at all that day, or if he knew of their intention to harm or kill him. Passed the test but he has been judged guilty by the mob so he must go, as well. They like him to be sharing a cell with the Michaels, if he even survives that long to begin with.
 
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The crazy fact about the video is that it was turned over to the Police by McMichaels as evidence he thought would prove the shooting was justified. But he didn’t give them the whole video, just the last minute. When the GBI entered the investigation he was arrested. Prior to that the prosecutor mess was pretty much a clown show. I find it to be an interesting case. If nothing else, my point to Forum members is to consider the consequences of being a concealed firearm carrier. I think we do, but it doesn’t hurt to have a discussion as a reminder how serious this responsibility truly is. More facts will be forthcoming.
 
I would like every case McMichael and his prosecutor friend prosecuted, that ended with a conviction, re-examined. Especially if the defendant was a POC. McMichaels has shown the lengths he is willing to go to dealing with “crime, real or imagined”. I believe there is sufficient reason to believe his previous investigations could be skewed.
 
I would like every case McMichael and his prosecutor friend prosecuted, that ended with a conviction, re-examined. Especially if the defendant was a POC. McMichaels has shown the lengths he is willing to go to dealing with “crime, real or imagined”. I believe there is sufficient reason to believe his previous investigations could be skewed.

By re-examine you mean overturn and have million dollar lawsuits flying through the court system. Re-examine would be the definition of reasonable doubt.

The video shows nothing that we didn't already know. If it is true that Georgia law allows for a citizen's arrest for suspicion of whatever he would have been charged with (and I am sure the DA would low-ball that charge in light of the events. I've seen armed robbery dropped to petit larceny in 2 seconds), the the stop would have been legal. Wise? Clearly not. But illegal? I haven't seen that yet. If the citizens arrest was not warranted, then charge them already and be done with this.
 
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I watched the YouTube video bulletslap referenced. When it ended, this one played next. Another interesting take on the situation.
Yes, this is interesting and very well done. It's the most complete analysis I've seen yet. Here it is embedded so you don't' have to leave this site:


As more evidence comes out, I haven't seen anything to change my opinion. Absolutely everything before the McMichaels started chasing Aubrey is irrelevant. They had no knowledge of any wrong doing. Neither were they accosted by Aubrey. Therefore, they had no justification or reason to chase him with guns drawn. The result of this lays fully in their laps.
 
I watched the YouTube video bulletslap referenced. When it ended, this one played next. Another interesting take on the situation.

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The YouTube video seemed to be credited to the New York Times, and was narrated by a male with what sounded like a British accent. I believe, and would like to hear otherwise from Georgia-knowledgeable individuals if I am wrong, that there was no reason whatsoever to suspect that the deceased was trespassing while exploring the unfinished house, nor were any of the other individuals who explored the house.

Doesn't sound like a murder, at least not first-degree, if that's how they name them in Georgia, but not far off. What right did they have to attempt to stop him? Having guns out, of course, was stupid, and predictably created the problem.
 
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By re-examine you mean overturn and have million dollar lawsuits flying through the court system. Re-examine would be the definition of reasonable doubt.

The video shows nothing that we didn't already know. If it is true that Georgia law allows for a citizen's arrest for suspicion of whatever he would have been charged with (and I am sure the DA would low-ball that charge in light of the events. I've seen armed robbery dropped to petit larceny in 2 seconds), the the stop would have been legal. Wise? Clearly not. But illegal? I haven't seen that yet. If the citizens arrest was not warranted, then charge them already and be done with this.


No, re-examine and re-try or overturn if necessary. This is probably not the first error McMichaels ever made. No one should be falsely convicted.

If I had been shot and killed every time I entered a home under construction I would of died several dozen times. My wife and I bought two of those homes we entered.

The video of Mr. Arberry being confronted by police is disturbing. He is stopped for being in a known drug area. He is irritated. The officers practically demand to search his car. His response was no different than mine would of been.
 
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I read today that Ahmaud was chased for over 4 minutes before the shooting. We were only given the 30 or so seconds that it took the shooting to happen.
 
This case is getting stranger, here is a story from the Atlanta Constitution Journal which is the SJW journal of record in Georgia in my opinion, so I take anything from them with a grain of salt. The gist of which is the elder McMillian and the local police department had some type of an arrangement for crime prevention in the area.


Police enlisted suspect’s help months before Arbery shooting
 
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I read today that Ahmaud was chased for over 4 minutes before the shooting. We were only given the 30 or so seconds that it took the shooting to happen.

Well you'd figure that if he liked jogging so much he could run for more than four minutes...
 
If they chased him for 4 minutes before confronting him w/ a shotgun there's all kinds of stalking charges they're guilty of... & no way to claim self defense. If the local cops were involved it's no wonder they didn't want charges filed... if that's proven in court there's a lot of heads on the chopping block!
 
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