The emperor has no clothes
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The big deal, and it is a big deal is that this, like the Spanish Flu of 1918 is a virus that has become communicable from animal to human for the first time. Human immune systems have NEVER experienced this virus before and as such no human has any resistance to the bug. It came out of a live animal food market in China and was probably transferred by a small ant-eater like creature .
We know it is VERY infectious but we still don't know how long the virus will survive on open surfaces or really how deadly it really is. It's too new. Anyone that tells you they know how serious this is or that you shouldn't be worried doesn't know ****. It is spreading. Stay out of crowds and take precautions until we have some idea of what this thing is. Hopefully it's not serious... but remember the Spanish flu wasn't serious at first... and then it mutated.
We know it is VERY infectious but we still don't know how long the virus will survive on open surfaces or really how deadly it really is. It's too new. Anyone that tells you they know how serious this is or that you shouldn't be worried doesn't know ****. It is spreading. Stay out of crowds and take precautions until we have some idea of what this thing is. Hopefully it's not serious... but remember the Spanish flu wasn't serious at first... and then it mutated.
If it bleeds it leads!! 
It is one of those years that occurs every 4 years!
It is one of those years that occurs every 4 years!
Am I worried about the Corona virus. Well, I'm trying to keep up with what's going on with it. Separate fact from fiction, which is extremely difficult. I'm taking the usual precautions I do for the flu.
What I am worried about the the panic the it seems to be causing. And I have no control over that.
What I am worried about the the panic the it seems to be causing. And I have no control over that.
I'll tell you one thing. Don't pop the plastic bubbles in packages you receive in the mail.. The air is from China!!!
As my daddy used to say: "that's some el primo thinkin' right there"!
Still very early stage, and a far away thing for most. Many won't consider it serious until they or someone they know, gets it. No way to contain it 100%.
A vaccine is still months away. It may also be something that Asians are more vulnerable to, just as the American Indians fell to European illnesses.
Still a chance that a new season will hinder the virus.
A vaccine is still months away. It may also be something that Asians are more vulnerable to, just as the American Indians fell to European illnesses.
Still a chance that a new season will hinder the virus.
Suddenly the President isn't calling the coronavirus outbreak a hoax any more - he's speaking now.
One of the reasons the media is hyping this up now is because they have started to severely criticize how the Trump administration is handling it. Aside from their usual fear mongering, now its all Trump's fault.
I don't think anybody is saying it's Trump's fault. The virus isn't a political issue. According to Johns Hopkins University based on the latest data, 84,000 people have been infected worldwide and 3,000 have died. That's a kill rate of about 3.57% if my math is correct. What they are concerned about is him calling the virus a hoax, and appointing Mike Pence to lead the charge in managing the virus.
To give you a little background, this is the reason. All of these facts are easily verified and available from multiple sources.
In 2015, an HIV outbreak erupted in Scott County, Indiana. Mike Pence was governor at the time, having been elected in 2013. Austin, a small town in that rural county would become the focal point for a local HIV health crisis. The sharing of syringes used to inject a liquid painkiller would were the primary source of the initial infections of HIV and hepatitis. Although health experts strongly supported a needle exchange program to combat HIV infections, Governor Pence at the time initially opposed and then delayed implementation of the program. While Governor Pence delayed this desperately needed program, HIV cases in that small rural county were increasing at a startling rate, approximately two dozen per week.
Governor Pence's response to the HIV crisis under his watch occurred while funding to public health programs in Scott County had been slashed. As reported in the IndyStar, allegations have been made Governor Pence put his Christian values above public health.
HIV is not a disease that ever affected just homosexuals, heathens or drug users, it was always from its inception a disease spread by bodily fluids and blood. By 2015 it had been proven for over two decades to be a disease that could show up in babies (who weren't drug users, homosexual or prostitutes) if they received blood from a contaminated donor. It is clear while this crisis was unfolding Governor Pence did not bother to educate himself on the established science of the spreading virus or deliberately chose to ignore the advice of experts in the field of public health and medicine.
What is even more startling, if not downright frightening, is the Jerome M. Adams, an anesthesiologist and vice admiral in the United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps served as the Indiana State Health Commissioner from 2014 -2017 during the midst of this localized epidemic and let things get out of control under his watch.
This same Jerome M. Adams, who was the State Health Commissioner in Indiana, while this preventable outbreak of HIV/AIDS took place on June 29, 2017 was later nominated by President Donald Trump to become Surgeon General of the United States, and was confirmed by the United States Senate on August 3, 2017. Since August 3, 2017, he has served and continues to serve today in that capacity.
Disease that can be spread by human beings knows no borders, and shows no mercy. In response to a pending epidemic of COVID19, which has a case fatality rate of 2.3%, ( now looking more like 3+%) the President has appointed a person with no medical background, and with demonstrated incompetence in handling a public health crisis to take the lead. If history bothers to repeat itself, he will either not educate himself on the science of epidemiology or medicine, or he will ignore the advice of his Surgeon General if he receives any advice. At present, we have no reason to even believe the surgeon general would even have useful advice.
So, the "hoax" claimed by President Trump is not a hoax, it is a real threat. Of course knowledgeable public health experts freak out when this sort of thing happens. It is their job to protect public health.
Filter out the political **** and look at it only as a medical issue. Right now the risk is low to us, but do you want to risk your family contracting a disease that could kill them? I don't. I am not panicking and I don't give a hoot about the politics, but history has shown if we don't get ahead of pubic health threats, the threats get in top of us.
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They just added South Korea to travel restrictions.
South Korea Travel Advisory
South Korea Travel Advisory
Your math is not correct. Because while there are 84,000 CONFIRMED cases of infection, the actual number of people infected is DEFINITELY higher than that - almost certainly at least ten times that number and maybe even 100 times that number.
How many thousands have it, and haven't been diagnosed? How many thousands - or even tens of thousands - have had it and have already recovered from it thinking it was just another one of the known strains of flu? Those cases will never even be included in the statistics.
So, that 3.57% mortality rate may in reality be .357% (ten times less) or even .0357% (100 times less). Probably somewhere in between, just like all other known strains of the flu.
It is a virtual certainly that it is lower than it appears. A lot lower - because the rate of detection is far lower than the rate of infection. This early in the game, the statistics are severely skewed - they always are at the early stages. The same thing happens with every new "bug" that is discovered.
It takes years of gathering data to compile accurate infection rates, recovery rates, and mortality rates.
Like the meme I posted earlier says...
Same Fear Campaign, Different Year.
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I have not been sick in 10 or 12 years and recently got the flu including sinus infection and urinary track infection and after the doc got me on steroids, Amoxicillian, and Tamiflu I didn't feel too bad at all. My stepsons good friend since childhood Corey, has been to our house probably 50 times over the years, recently went to the hospital with the flu and died. He was a healthy 27 year old.
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Those numbers represent a flawed comparison.
The 0.2% is based on flu deaths vs. the entire population.
The 2% is based on coronavirus deaths vs. people that contracted the virus.
If you re-calculate the former statistic vs. people that actually contracted the flu, the death rate is probably equal.
But then again, with so much misinformation out there, who knows what's right?
HOUSTON RICK
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I suspect that the severity depends on whether you or your loved ones have it. Major surgery is any surgery on me. minor surgery is when it is surgery on someone else. I am afraid that all too soon it will bring sorrow to too many families that otherwise would still have a mother or father, baby, or grandparent, even if it is not the end of civilization or as lethal as the annual flu. I am hopeful that it will stop spreading with warm weather, but it shows a resilience for hanging around, so even then it may start up in the Fall. Good luck to all here.
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Either way you slice it, after the last 3 1/2 years of NICE growth in my 401K gone now, I may have to wait until 70 to retire!
LVSteve
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When there is more attention paid to the effect on the economy than the medical effects on people, then yes, the Emperor is butt naked.
Absalom
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To quote Monty Python: "No, it isn't!"
If the 0.2% were based on the entire population, there would have been about 600,000 flu deaths in the US last year. Actually, there were about 34,000.
So no, the death rate is not equal at all.
Well you might not like the data, but I reported the Johns Hopkins Data correctly. There were 84,000 CONFIRMED cases. You are correct in that there are probably a lot of unconfirmed cases out there. As the cases out there that are serious get confirmed there will probably be more deaths. But the ratio of deaths to confirmed cases probably won't change unless treatment protocols improve.
Downplaying a substantial but unquantifiable risk is not in the best interests of pubic health. It is true that most people that contract the virus won't die, but 3+% of those confirmed will likely succumb.
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