The FBI S&W Model 13 .357 Magnum M&P

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Why the FBI transitioned to the 10MM 1076 Auto in ~ 1990 is attributed to several reasons; the 1986 Miami shootout being principal with Ben Grogan and Jerry Dove, the SAs killed in that incident being, by many accounts, "outgunned" and under equipped with this revolver. I have 3 Model 13s; (2) 13-2s and (1) 13-3 that all letter as being shipped during a 15 month period to the FBI Academy at Quantico, VA between Dec,1980, and Nov,1981. The picture with those three guns as acquired has been posted a few times here on the forum when the subject of Model 13s or FBI related firearms was being discussed. The one pictured below is actually my primary CCW and it will do everything I need it to if required. :) These are really underrated utilitarian S&W revolvers that will drive a tack on the target range. The FBI carried them for over 10 years until the .40 1076 was brought in as a replacement. That didn't last long did it? :rolleyes: When the 1076 was adopted, the FBI procured Model 13s were recalled and I have it on good authority wound up being destroyed and buried in a pit at Quantico.:eek: Obviously some found their way to the outside world and I feel fortunate to have acquired three of them. All are different with one being pinned and recessed, one being pinned and not recessed and the third being neither pinned nor recessed. The one in this post is the earliest example I have and it is the pinned/recessed example. Be sure to scan the cover page of the factory letter on this gun as it gives insight to the evolution of the Model 13 and also identifies a couple of revolvers in the 10-6 Model category that hard core collectors of S&W K frame M&Ps might want to turn their attention to looking for:)

Enjoy
Chuck

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I'd have to agree, the 3" 13 is an outstanding revolver.

I have a 3" 65-5 and a 4" 13 as well, but I prefer the 3" 13 overall.

The blue is deep and the quality is high.

I'd love to know who made these grips. They came with mine and appear to be of new manufacture.

I added the BK.

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Anybody know who made these?
 
FBI

I fully agree that the S&W Model 13 & 65 makes ideal SD revolvers. The FBI agents in Miami were up against a hardened killer armed with a Ruger Mini-14. Hopefully, the average CCW will probably never face such a formidable weapon. The gun battle was lost before the first shot was fired. Platt out-performed the FBI on mindset, tactics, weapon and marksmanship.

One little known fact regarding the Miami shootout is that Mike Platt did all the shooting. Mattix never fired a shot.
 
I stumbled across a 4" model 13 awhile back. Have shot it little but was surprised how well it shot. I like the fixed sight guns. The 13 fits in nicely with my Model 58 and a few 1917s and M&Ps..

Not sure if I'd prefer the 3" over the 4" since I don't carry anything concealed. I hike a lot and the 13 might find duty in a field holster going along for a walk in the woods...

Love that trio you have. They just may be the most perfect of utilitarian revolvers.
 
Federali brings up a good point about us average CCW types and what is enough caliber/rounds we actually need. From a previous life, I have always felt the more of each the better. These days though, who knows really who the bad folks actually are? I think about this every morning when I send my own Fed bride off with just a Glock to do whatever it is she really does. :(
Here's a link to the FBI final report on the Miami Shootout for any interested.
Chuck

https://vault.fbi.gov/FBI Miami Shooting 4-11-86 /Miami Shooting 4-11-86 Part 1 of 11
 
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As to the disposition of the Bureau's Model 13s, my buddy, a retired FBI supervisory Special Agent, told me that upon his retirement, he was offered the opportunity to buy his service revolver. However, he turned it down as he felt the $ the Bureau wanted was excessive. He has never said what that price was. This was about 2000-2001.

Kaaskop49
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That was a great read and awesome photos to boot, thank you!

Very cool to know about those 10-6 in .357 being the first 13's, didn't know that. Would be nice to land one of those!
 
Sorry to correct the OP and not to detract from his post about these fine revovlers, but Special Agents Grogan & Dove were SWAT agents and were armed with S&W 9mm auto pistols (59-series?) when they were killed. Other agents did use revolvers and the gunfight ended with a courageous and wounded agent firing his revolver into the suspect vehicle from close range.
May Agents Grogan & Dove rest in peace. They died heroically protecting the citizens of Miami from these two psycho killers.

F, Hinkle, deputy (ret)
SDMO/SDSD
 
Sorry to correct the OP and not to detract from his post about these fine revovlers, but Special Agents Grogan & Dove were SWAT agents and were armed with S&W 9mm auto pistols (59-series?) when they were killed. Other agents did use revolvers and the gunfight ended with a courageous and wounded agent firing his revolver into the suspect vehicle from close range.
May Agents Grogan & Dove rest in peace. They died heroically protecting the citizens of Miami from these two psycho killers.

F, Hinkle, deputy (ret)
SDMO/SDSD
gruntdeputy: thanks for your input.
Here are the FBI Special Agents who participated in the Miami incident and the weapons they carried. An FBI agent may be assigned to an FBI SWAT team as an incidental duty, but their primary duty is always Special Agent.

Richard Manauzzi: lost control of weapon in the initial vehicle collision, no shots fired. Minor wounds from shotgun pellets.[8]
Gordon McNeill: Smith & Wesson Model 19 .357 Magnum revolver, six rounds .38 Special +P fired. Seriously wounded by .223 gunshot wounds to the right hand and neck.
Edmundo Mireles: Remington 870 12-gauge shotgun, five rounds 00 buckshot fired, .357 Magnum revolver, Smith & Wesson Model 686 (Not FBI issue, but personally owned .357's and .38's could be approved for carry by supervisors, same applies with McNeil's Model 19), six rounds .38 Special +P fired. Seriously wounded by a .223 gunshot wound to the left forearm.
Gilbert Orrantia: S&W (model unknown, likely a Model 13, as it was an issued weapon at the time) .357 Magnum revolver, 12 rounds .38 Special +P fired. Wounded by shrapnel and debris produced by a .223 bullet near miss.
John Hanlon: Smith & Wesson Model 36 .38 Special revolver, five rounds .38 Special +P fired. Seriously wounded by .223 gunshot wounds to the right hand and groin.
Benjamin Grogan: Smith & Wesson Model 459 9mm pistol, nine rounds fired. Killed by a .223 gunshot wound to the chest.
Jerry Dove: Smith & Wesson Model 459 9mm pistol, 20+ rounds fired. Killed by two .223 gunshot wounds to the head.
Ronald Risner: Smith & Wesson Model 459 9mm pistol, 14 rounds fired, S&W Model 60 .38 Special revolver, one round .38 Special +P fired. Not wounded.
 
Yep. Grogan and Dove were SWAT certified and carried S&W 459's. Manauzzi supposedly had his revolver under his leg during the pursuit for easier access, and when he crashed his car, it got lost under the seat. I would bet he never got over not engaging these two maniacs and maybe ending the fight before grogan and dove were killed.
 
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I fully agree that the S&W Model 13 & 65 makes ideal SD revolvers. The FBI agents in Miami were up against a hardened killer armed with a Ruger Mini-14. Hopefully, the average CCW will probably never face such a formidable weapon. The gun battle was lost before the first shot was fired. Platt out-performed the FBI on mindset, tactics, weapon and marksmanship.

One little known fact regarding the Miami shootout is that Mike Platt did all the shooting. Mattix never fired a shot.

A few other little known facts: The agents had shotguns, but couldn't use them because they were in the backseat along with theirs vests. And it wasn't the M-13 that failed (Platt was killed by a .38 Special FBI load). The 9mm Silvertip was the alleged failure.
 
Do I understand correctly ?
1. The model 10 and Model 13 share the same frame except the Model 13 has a cylinder chambered for .357 ?

2. The FBI issued .357 revolvers but the issue ammo was .38spl +P
 
I too believe a revolver is all the average person needs for self defense. I owned a model 13 at one time when I was much younger. I was too stupid to realize what I had and sold it. Sigh.

People are quick to blame the FBI for lack of tactics and proper equipment. They're right. I just hope these aren't the same people who complain about the "militarization" of the police too. Can't have it both ways.
 
I fully agree that the S&W Model 13 & 65 makes ideal SD revolvers. The FBI agents in Miami were up against a hardened killer armed with a Ruger Mini-14. Hopefully, the average CCW will probably never face such a formidable weapon. The gun battle was lost before the first shot was fired. Platt out-performed the FBI on mindset, tactics, weapon and marksmanship.

One little known fact regarding the Miami shootout is that Mike Platt did all the shooting. Mattix never fired a shot.
Add the often overlooked
Agent across the street hammering away with a 459.
Tagged one of the bad guys with a 9mm Silvertip.
Two metro Dade officers did not fire as when they rolled up,
Couldn't wire out who was who.
( no identifiers like raid jackets in use)

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