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jcelect
The “hole” got me!
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jcelect
I flew to AZ a few years ago and took a M60-14 .357 for my carry piece. I locked it before I got to the airport, first time I had ever used the IL. About two days into my trip I realized that I had never unlocked the gun once I arrived and had been carrying the gun the whole time. First and only time I ever used the IL! Good thing is I keep a key on my keychain so I could unlock it on the spot.
I've since traded that M60 for a 640 Pro series. No lock no worries.
I've since traded that M60 for a 640 Pro series. No lock no worries.
Bill Lear
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Good to read you can still HAVE handguns in Australia! Gotta do whatcha gotta do as long as you can continue to enjoy.
He is in Australia, Google their firearms laws.
Rpg
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mod57
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I have a question, if the gun is locked and you have no key, but you do have a screwdriver. Can you take the gun apart with it locked to unlock it?
Man, I just love it.......
.... when people do me 'favors' like that.
As far as shooting goes though, I'm usually the one that brings the wrong magazine or the wrong ammo. Or SOMETHING! I almost always pack at least one extra gun and ammo, especially if I drive 50 minutes to the outdoor range. A range trip is special thing for me and I hate being hamstrung and not doing what I wanted to accomplish.
.... when people do me 'favors' like that.
As far as shooting goes though, I'm usually the one that brings the wrong magazine or the wrong ammo. Or SOMETHING! I almost always pack at least one extra gun and ammo, especially if I drive 50 minutes to the outdoor range. A range trip is special thing for me and I hate being hamstrung and not doing what I wanted to accomplish.
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Cal44
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I keep one of those little keys on the ring with my car keys. So it's always with me.
Never have needed it, though.
Never have needed it, though.
You mentioned trigger pull in Post #1----7 lbs. and change----and NOBODY said a word about it. THAT fair boggles the mind!!
Now you didn't say if that was single or double action, but it's a mind boggler either way---IF it came from Springfield that way! (Either that, or I'm well and truly as dumb as a rock when it comes to what I'll call the more or less current crop of S&W revolvers---which is more than likely---but still!!)
Back in the day, when S&W may have been a bit more fussy about the products it turned out, the single action trigger pull specifications were 3-4 lbs. for target model revolvers, and 5-7 for fixed sight guns----and those S.A. pulls I've checked (as a lunatic fringe collector of target models) were 3.5 lbs. right down the line----no exceptions!
All that said, I've never seen the factory's specification for double action trigger pull---if there is such a thing. What I have seen is the double action trigger pull for what may very well be THE very best spring kit I know about----that from Jerry Miculek. I say the VERY best, because the D.A trigger pull is whatever you want it to be. The only proviso from himself is that you don't go below 7 Lbs., lest your once useful revolver won't go bang! (And he recommends the use of Federal ammo/primers at that level.)
So-------given my admittedly less than total knowledge required to run my mouth on the topic, I'm saying IF that 7 and some-odd lb. trigger pull is single action, there's something BAD WRONG inside your gun (or your trigger pull gauge), and if it's double action, then someone did you a BIG favor somewhere along the line, and stuck a pretty good spring kit in your gun-----and you should count your blessings!
Ralph Tremaine
Now you didn't say if that was single or double action, but it's a mind boggler either way---IF it came from Springfield that way! (Either that, or I'm well and truly as dumb as a rock when it comes to what I'll call the more or less current crop of S&W revolvers---which is more than likely---but still!!)
Back in the day, when S&W may have been a bit more fussy about the products it turned out, the single action trigger pull specifications were 3-4 lbs. for target model revolvers, and 5-7 for fixed sight guns----and those S.A. pulls I've checked (as a lunatic fringe collector of target models) were 3.5 lbs. right down the line----no exceptions!
All that said, I've never seen the factory's specification for double action trigger pull---if there is such a thing. What I have seen is the double action trigger pull for what may very well be THE very best spring kit I know about----that from Jerry Miculek. I say the VERY best, because the D.A trigger pull is whatever you want it to be. The only proviso from himself is that you don't go below 7 Lbs., lest your once useful revolver won't go bang! (And he recommends the use of Federal ammo/primers at that level.)
So-------given my admittedly less than total knowledge required to run my mouth on the topic, I'm saying IF that 7 and some-odd lb. trigger pull is single action, there's something BAD WRONG inside your gun (or your trigger pull gauge), and if it's double action, then someone did you a BIG favor somewhere along the line, and stuck a pretty good spring kit in your gun-----and you should count your blessings!
Ralph Tremaine
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gwpercle
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At our range we drove a small nail in one of the wood post and a few guys put extra keys on the nail ... now , when "that" happens ...you remove a key from the nail , unlock your revolver and hang the key back up !
Good idea to keep spare in your shooting / range bag or shooting box ... I keep one on my key ring with car and house keys . They are small and when you need one ...you need one , no other key will work .
Gary
I do not have a lockable gun, but I do have a key. A friend took the lock out of his gun and had the keys with him at the club, said I might as well throw these in the trash.
I took one and put it in my range bag. It takes up no room and I do not have to feed it. Just in the rare chance that someone has a gun with a lock and has a problem it could help out!
I took one and put it in my range bag. It takes up no room and I do not have to feed it. Just in the rare chance that someone has a gun with a lock and has a problem it could help out!
sigp220.45
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I had a 329 with the lock and it looked fine - there must be enough room in the N frame to fit it in with enlarging anything. It can't be the frame mounted firing pin since K-22s have always had that and they don't look silly.
My only lock gun now is a 640-3, a gift from my son. It also looks like a normal Centennial model, except for the keyhole which never bothered me. Now you all have made me think about it locking under recoil. I carry it often, loaded with .357 Silvertips. I've ordered "the plug" just in case.
Nice thread. Thanks.
My only lock gun now is a 640-3, a gift from my son. It also looks like a normal Centennial model, except for the keyhole which never bothered me. Now you all have made me think about it locking under recoil. I carry it often, loaded with .357 Silvertips. I've ordered "the plug" just in case.
Nice thread. Thanks.
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gwpercle
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I own both types ... with and without .
I wouldn't let the Lock stop me from buying a S&W revolver .
It's just not that big a deal . They can easily be removed .
In my case I have simply turned the locks off and never looked back .
I've had models with locks for the last 30 years , shooting handguns is my hobby so I shoot them often and not one has ever locked itself or caused any problems for me .
If I had children around my house I would probably use the locks ... but my baby is 40 and the prospect of grandchildren doesn't look good ... so I don't use the lock but for goodness sake don't let "the Lock" stop you from buying a new S&W ...that little mole-hill is too easy to overcome !
Gary
I wouldn't let the Lock stop me from buying a S&W revolver .
It's just not that big a deal . They can easily be removed .
In my case I have simply turned the locks off and never looked back .
I've had models with locks for the last 30 years , shooting handguns is my hobby so I shoot them often and not one has ever locked itself or caused any problems for me .
If I had children around my house I would probably use the locks ... but my baby is 40 and the prospect of grandchildren doesn't look good ... so I don't use the lock but for goodness sake don't let "the Lock" stop you from buying a new S&W ...that little mole-hill is too easy to overcome !
Gary
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vintage40s
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I must have gotten a key with the new Model 642-2 that I bought in 2019, but don't know where it is.
It does not matter because I don't want a lock and would not use it -- the old Models 67 and- 617-6 that I got last year don't have locks, either.
But if I sell the 642, will lack of a key be a problem for a buyer? Can a key be bought at gun shops?
It does not matter because I don't want a lock and would not use it -- the old Models 67 and- 617-6 that I got last year don't have locks, either.
But if I sell the 642, will lack of a key be a problem for a buyer? Can a key be bought at gun shops?
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mod57
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I imagine that S&W would give you a key for free.
Call 'em and ask.
Call 'em and ask.
JohnHL
Member
I didn't even ask them to send me one. I sent them an email and said I'd like an extra one and figured they'd tell me where I could buy one but they just sent me one.
riverrat38
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I'm thinking that their handcuff keys are a restricted sale item.
You could sew one on the rear of your trousers if you were in the type of occupation where that might become handy.
73,
Rick
Super Trucker
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If they are restricted someone isn't doing a good job of restricting them, as there are pages of results on the interweb.
If you want to get creative search "hidden handcuff key", pages of results there also.
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Yes. Pulling the side plate and removing the hammer gives access to the lock and it can be reset to unlocked.
I usually keep a cordless drill in my vehicle.
I would've been happy to loan it to you!
I would've been happy to loan it to you!
OP
6string, that there was funny!
I'm glad I sacrificed my little dignity by posting this thread. If it helped one person, then my mission was accomplished! With some of the replies, I'm glad I have fairly thick skin. I actually expected worse. Another reason why I don't do the bar scene anymore. Too many times some drunk squirrel would wanna fight just because I was talking to his girlfriend. Thick skin usually took control & I'd let him yap away.
So, two of my guns will have to have the locks pulled out. There is a key on my key ring now. If I do it again, I'm not telling anyone!
If I had my cordless drill, the bits would probably be left at home!
Peace!
I'm glad I sacrificed my little dignity by posting this thread. If it helped one person, then my mission was accomplished! With some of the replies, I'm glad I have fairly thick skin. I actually expected worse. Another reason why I don't do the bar scene anymore. Too many times some drunk squirrel would wanna fight just because I was talking to his girlfriend. Thick skin usually took control & I'd let him yap away.
So, two of my guns will have to have the locks pulled out. There is a key on my key ring now. If I do it again, I'm not telling anyone!
If I had my cordless drill, the bits would probably be left at home!
Peace!
I think everyone that's replied here appreciates your candor.
And, everyone will have their own takeaway, ie: carry a spare key, get a plug, don't buy a gun with a lock, etc.
In my case, I couldn't resist a little humor.
On another level, though, I can envision someone reading my "cordless drill" crack and, not getting it, say "Yeah, that's what I'd do!"
(Says to buddy: "Hey, can ya hold this down by the barrel for me? I'm gonna try a bigger drill bit."....."Dang, it slipped.")
