THE NAME OF A CLINT EASTWOOD WESTERN

Watched it last night.

Jelly, Someone had to take revenge against them cowboys who scared up the prostitutes face. Might as well be Clint. Twas the law of the land.:D
 
Clint isn't playing a hero in the Unforgiven..

"Your William Muny who blew up the Rock Island train, killing women and children."

"I've killed just about everything that has walked or crawled at one time or another"


There are 3 killers without conscience and without fear in the movie and each of them is worse than the last..English Bob, Little Bill and William Muny..
 
The thing in the movie that was most interesting to watch was the slow regression of William Muny from an outlaw reformed by the love of his deceased wife back to vicious killer during the course of the movie.
 
Clint's character was a farmer going broke presented with an opportunity to earn hard cash. After due consideration, he took the opportunity and did what was necessary to complete the task. I'll skip the moral issues and allegory appropriate to literature studies, but various forms of the same actions (having family raise the kids while the man is out making money/catching food) is as old as the human race.

The entire tale was far more historically accurate than most presentations of similar stuff, to include who were "lawmen" in any particular town.

I've got a book by William F. Cody in a safety deposit box. No doubt ghost written by someone, it was his autobiography and had a section of biographies of many of his contemporaries. I first read it at 16 or so. Took the luster off the noted personalities of the old west-Cody included.
 
Watched it last night.

Jelly, Someone had to take revenge against them cowboys who scared up the prostitutes face. Might as well be Clint. Twas the law of the land.:D

Someone already had OCD1, Lil Bill fined them several horses. Which was probably very close to what would have been done in the real old west. The part about nobody wanting pay for her services probably isn't quite as realistic, from what what I've read...and the pictures I've seen, of prostitues of the time.

There are 3 killers without conscience and without fear in the movie and each of them is worse than the last..English Bob, Little Bill and William Muny..
Tabs, without conscience, no doubt. But without fear, that's not the way I see it. English Bob seems to be more of a braggart than a real doer. After Lil Bill reads the book about Bob, he tells the truth, which disgraces Bob. On the other hand, after the Kid tells a story about William Munys past, Ned tells the truth, which makes him sound even more ferocious than before. I think these two incidents are directly related to each other. In the case of Lil Bill, I think he is supposed to be somewhat of a coward by the way he relies on his deputies to surround his quarry at gunpoint while he slaps them around. At the end of the move, when he is out to revenge Neds death, William Muny acts alone, which is highlighted by the writers comments about how many men he killed and the questions afterward. I don't think they were supposed to be considered equal in any way.

WR, I don't think the movie was intended to be historical in any way. I think it was just a career vehicle and was actually based more on modern morals, egotism and self importance. It was made to entertain an audiance, to bring in a bunch of money and to show the people just how low our morality has gone.
 
WR, I don't think the movie was intended to be historical in any way. I think it was just a career vehicle and was actually based more on modern morals, egotism and self importance. It was made to entertain an audiance, to bring in a bunch of money and to show the people just how low our morality has gone.

To the contrary: in the opening moments, one of Muny's kids spots signs of disease on one of the hogs (boar?) and is directed to separate it from the others. Remember that this is pre-antibiotics and Muny is likely facing loss of his breeding male and probably all his livestock. Financial ruin and the results thereof-quite possible even today, but we have safety nets beyond family. His choice isn't a result of modern morals, it's what he chose to do, between very limited choices, to earn money by standards far more stark that those today.

I've read appelate court cases back into the mid-1850's and quite frankly, human behavior patterns haven't changed a whit. We may try to apply different standards, but there's nothing modern about what happened in that movie. What didn't happen, is the application of fairytale plot lines that we've become accustomed to.
 
Wow... next, you folks will tell me Murphy Brown isn't a real person...

It's entertainment.

It was to his western genre of films what 'Blood Work' was to his detective series - a fitting end. Then there was 'Gran Torino', an end to everything!

Stainz
 
It was to his western genre of films what 'Blood Work' was to his detective series - a fitting end. Then there was 'Gran Torino', an end to everything!
Yup. "Unforgiven" was his best western. "Gran Torino" was his best ever. Reminds me of another actor where I can't pick the best western(too many good ones) but ended his acting career with his best ever, "The Shootist". Both the same plot, different times.

Bob
 
Jelly, I appreciate your negative take on "Unforgiven" even if I don't share your opinion of it. If we were supposed to take William Munny as a man of good qualities, the flick would have been called "Admirable."

But I find myself in a position similar to yours when it comes to "Silence of the Lambs," another acclaimed Oscar winner that friends thought was great and which I found to be sickening and repellent trash. I made it through the first half hour once, thinking that it had to get less off-putting. Finally I just turned it off and went to take a shower. I guess I just don't carry the gene that's required to find that movie worth watching.
 
I'm surprised that no one brought up the mean evil Sheriff (Hackman) and his gang of thugs practicing GUN CONTROL in "his" town. No guns allowed except for him?? Oh My!
 
I'm always surprised when someone has to say what he thinks the author 'really' meant when someone writes a book or a movie.

Most of the time, a cigar is just a cigar and entertainment is just entertainment.
 
OCD1, That kind of gun control was actually quite common in the old west. I remember watching an episode of "The Rifleman" where the sheriff had left town and his deputy replacement banned the carry of firearms while in town. It turned into a disaster when several bad men came in, I don't remember exactly what all happened, but it was not anything like you'd see on TV now days. It was all about why everyone should carry a gun and was very politically based.

WR Moore, I'm not saying they don't look for authenticity when making movies now. They have gotten better about it then before when everyone carried a Colt SAA, even in the Civil War. But movies aren't intended to be documentaries of past history, even if they are supposed to be, they are intended to draw a crowd. While the old movies would try to teach morals, ethics, good over evil, honesty is the best policy, etc, etc. Now they appeal to what people really want to see, "bad boys" and "bad girls" behaving like they want to behave. Look at all the movies that portray the protagonist as someone that is just as dark and evil as the antagonist, just like in the movie "Unforgiven". People don't want to be honest, loyal, brave or etc, they want to be popular and that is what's popular now. Look at all the athletes and celebrities that are getting all the media attention because of their antics and disgusting behavior, then look at all the people that are drawn to them. I don't think it's cute and I don't think movies about it are worth watching, we have enough problems the wa it is.

DC Wilson, thank you. I understand people like movies for different reasons and not everyone will look at a certain movie the same way as others may. But, like in the movie "Silence of the Lambs", the way certain characters are portrayed they seem to be idolized by people that watch them. This can be a nightmare for the millions of people out in movie land that have no real personality and depend on "becoming" what they see on film.
 
Someone already had OCD1, Lil Bill fined them several horses. Which was probably very close to what would have been done in the real old west. The part about nobody wanting pay for her services probably isn't quite as realistic, from what what I've read...and the pictures I've seen, of prostitues of the time.

The horses went to the male brothel owner, Little Bill gave nothing to the prostitute who was assaulted.
 
Well in all honesty, I thought it was just a Western which I was not and am not a big fan of. But I do watch the ones with Clint, and it was the only thing, sort of worth watching that night.
I much prefer love stories like Broke Back Mountain.:D:rolleyes:
(nope, never saw it. darn)
 
Liked the movie ..seems he got unforgiven after he drank the whiskey... some folks react to whiskey like he did .. while sober they are much like there fellows but when drunk may become dangerously antisocial and need to be locked up for their oun good ... needs a meeting
 
While the old movies would try to teach morals, ethics, good over evil, honesty is the best policy, etc, etc.

Laughing out loud (LOL) here...
Old movies? How about The Great Train Robbery?
Nothing's really changed - Except the price of admission.

Oh yeah - The PopCorn is a bit pricier too :(
 
My favorite of Clints by far, notice avatar. My favorite line, "Don't worry kid I aint gonna kill ya your the only friend I got".
 
The horses went to the male brothel owner, Little Bill gave nothing to the prostitute who was assaulted.

Right, and that was probably historically accurate too. Prostitues were more like slaves and harming them harmed their owners profits.

You're right DeadAye, not all of the older movies taught morals and etc. There were always some that dwelled on anti-social behavior, but it was still to sell tickets. I remember seeing hippies at the theatres when I was young and they preferred Cheech and Chong movies to "support the establishment" types. The popcorn is probably more expensive now because you have to pay for all those additives.
 
I went to a shop that sells used movies and such.
There it was, so I took it home with me. It was good movie, as I remembered it was, glad that I got it.
They also had A Fistfull of Dollars and A Few Dollars More, so I took them home also. I know, spaghetti westerns.:eek:
All of them looked as though they were like new. I imagine the same person brought them all in.
 
Unforgiven was recently voted the 2nd best western of all time.

Two lines in that movie that I’ll never forget:
I don’t deserve this, I’m building a house
Deservin’s got nuthin’ to do with it

IGN lists the top 25 westerns of all time:

#01 Once Upon a Time In The West
#02 Unforgiven
#03 High Noon
#04 Shane
#05 The Wild Bunch
#06 The Searchers
#07 The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
#08 Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid
#09 The Magnificent Seven
#10 The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
#11 Rio Bravo
#12 The Outlaw Josey Wales
#13 My Darling Clementine
#14 Tombstone
#15 The Professionals
#16 3:10 To Yuma
#17 McCabe and Mrs. Miller
#18 The Naked Spur
#19 Will Penny
#20 Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid
#21 a Fistful of Dollars
#22 The Gunfighter
#23 Silverado
#24 Little Big Man
#25 The Treasure of the Sierra Madre

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