sw44spl
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what a joke they may know aks but dont know jack about the bolt gun of ww2. he didnt know **** about the jap gun he just said anything I think.I have had several and know them very well I had to laugh on this one.
the new sons of guns tonite
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the show is ok but I'm already getting tired of it.
wheelgun28
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Somethings just seem silly to me, like a AK sniper rifle...
Really, an AK sniper rifle, come on.
They didnt say that they changed the caliber. Today .308, even the super duper mil sniper rounds are under powered, they tell me. So 7.62 x 39 is going to be a good choice? The bullet drop is very big, some charts have it at 120" at 500yd...
I think the 7.62x39 is close to 30/30.
It might be a fun toy, but to be used in actual work, I find it far fetched.
Also 6.5 Jap, hard to find?
Locally store have it on the shelf.
I guess it makes good TV
Really, an AK sniper rifle, come on.
They didnt say that they changed the caliber. Today .308, even the super duper mil sniper rounds are under powered, they tell me. So 7.62 x 39 is going to be a good choice? The bullet drop is very big, some charts have it at 120" at 500yd...
I think the 7.62x39 is close to 30/30.
It might be a fun toy, but to be used in actual work, I find it far fetched.
Also 6.5 Jap, hard to find?
Locally store have it on the shelf.
I guess it makes good TV
gjamison
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give it a rest guys!! there are shows about gun's on TV, what
more could you ask for. not everyone is an expert on all firearms. i
like to think i know a little about s&w's but i seem to find myself
digging through a book every now and then. i'm sure Mr Hayden and
his staff learn something new everyday.
good see people having fun with gun's,instead of people tring to take them.......
more could you ask for. not everyone is an expert on all firearms. i
like to think i know a little about s&w's but i seem to find myself
digging through a book every now and then. i'm sure Mr Hayden and
his staff learn something new everyday.
good see people having fun with gun's,instead of people tring to take them.......
In an ad he says, "That's the reason we go to war...to see who will win." Oh, really? I'll pass.
kraigwy
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What I couldn't figure out is why any machine shop would try to operate without a depth gage. I've chambered a lot of rifles over the years and I don't see how it could be done (right) without a depth gage. Sure you can do it with a caliper, but seems like a well known shop like Red Jacket would have a depth gage.
But I agree, AK sniper rifle, Take a $200 Dollar AK, dump another few hundred to make a sniper rifle, and you end up with a $200 dollar AK.
I think, (or hope) a lot of that BS is just to make the show interesting.
But I agree, AK sniper rifle, Take a $200 Dollar AK, dump another few hundred to make a sniper rifle, and you end up with a $200 dollar AK.
I think, (or hope) a lot of that BS is just to make the show interesting.
LVSteve
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I watched that show and there were some points of important technical detail that were omitted and other parts that were utter trash. Whether this was at the request of Mr Hayden or a clueless editor I do not know.
For example, one look at the mag showed that the AK was not in 7.62x39, but I do not recall them saying what caliber they did use. That was pretty stupid. Looking at the donor receiver I believe they used a 7.62x51 Saiga.
They spent a segment while the boss and his worker got into it about headspace but never used the term nor did they explain how the boss's method actually worked. That probably confused the average non-gun building viewer. It looked to me like he wanted to use a live round as a headspace guage. Don't try this at home. All that trigger work seemed like overkill, too. What was wrong with a Tapco G2?
The sections on the Arisaka were laughable to plain scary. The owner of that rifle did the right thing in bringing the gun in as he lacked the confidence/knowledge to sort it out himself. However, five minutes on the Internet would have told him how to dismantle the gun, strip the bolt anbd clean the thing. The Arisaka has a brilliantly simple bolt design and the basic firearm is very robust. His money, I guess.
The scary part was where the gunstore worker told his buddy that there was no safety on the gun. Rubbish, the Arisaka has a perfectly functional safety and if you know so little about a weapon, should you be "assisting" in testing it?
The owner should review that part of the tape and butts should be kicked.
For example, one look at the mag showed that the AK was not in 7.62x39, but I do not recall them saying what caliber they did use. That was pretty stupid. Looking at the donor receiver I believe they used a 7.62x51 Saiga.
They spent a segment while the boss and his worker got into it about headspace but never used the term nor did they explain how the boss's method actually worked. That probably confused the average non-gun building viewer. It looked to me like he wanted to use a live round as a headspace guage. Don't try this at home. All that trigger work seemed like overkill, too. What was wrong with a Tapco G2?
The sections on the Arisaka were laughable to plain scary. The owner of that rifle did the right thing in bringing the gun in as he lacked the confidence/knowledge to sort it out himself. However, five minutes on the Internet would have told him how to dismantle the gun, strip the bolt anbd clean the thing. The Arisaka has a brilliantly simple bolt design and the basic firearm is very robust. His money, I guess.
The scary part was where the gunstore worker told his buddy that there was no safety on the gun. Rubbish, the Arisaka has a perfectly functional safety and if you know so little about a weapon, should you be "assisting" in testing it?
The owner should review that part of the tape and butts should be kicked.
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mc5aw
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More "reality" show garbage designed to create drama for viewership, no different than any of the other dreck currently being programmed. Personally, I wouldn't trust these morons to install a Hogue grip correctly, let alone perform work on a firearm.
35Rem
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I found it interesting that a "custom" gun maker basically told the TRAINED gunsmith he hired to "wing it" with the headspace on a "Sniper" rifle. Seems like it would be important to get that right...
mg357
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the only thing that i thought was any good about the sons of guns show was the owners daughter she is a very pretty young woman
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It's entertainment. people want entertainment a lot more than they want information.
As far as spending money on guns most modifications do not add a penny to the value of the gun. In fact they usually detract from the value if you ever want to sell it.
These guys are not safe and provide video proof.
I became disgusted the first time I saw them firing without a proper backstop.
They normally just blaze away with nothing but trees or swamp behind the targets.
I became disgusted the first time I saw them firing without a proper backstop.
They normally just blaze away with nothing but trees or swamp behind the targets.
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I watched my first program last week where the "Military Contactor" wanted a remote machine gun mount on top of a vehicle where his employees wouldn't have to expose theirselves to fire at the bad guys.
I wondered why the "Sons of Guns" didn't just copy a ball turret from a WW II bomber?
I wondered why the "Sons of Guns" didn't just copy a ball turret from a WW II bomber?
well....she is kinda mousey in apperance but at the same time kinda hot
She also can out shoot the guys.
Gun-runner
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I like the part where they are going to shoot it and the one guy says "Be careful these gus don't have a safety". Really??? Do your homework boys!!!
bobelk99
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gjamison;136043993 I like to think i know a little about s&w's but i seem to find myself digging through a book every now and then. [/QUOTE said:
mwtdvm
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The Big Picture..
All those foreign aid dollars for military and anti-terrorism programs make it a slam dunk that these weapons will be procured in whatever caliber and sent to our beleaguered allies to provide the extra leverage to overcome their adversaries and of course they will be $2800.00 each (10% off in lots of 100 or more). They WILL work because they shoot the local milsurp ammo. Sub MOA at 1 kilometer...
And we taxpayers will be footing the bill..
All those foreign aid dollars for military and anti-terrorism programs make it a slam dunk that these weapons will be procured in whatever caliber and sent to our beleaguered allies to provide the extra leverage to overcome their adversaries and of course they will be $2800.00 each (10% off in lots of 100 or more). They WILL work because they shoot the local milsurp ammo. Sub MOA at 1 kilometer...
And we taxpayers will be footing the bill..
I really don't get too excited about the show, but I do like the daughter.
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sw44spl
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I agree im glad a gun show is on tv.but they do some unsafe stuff. like firing the arrow in the shop.and the daughter does need to wear a bikini next time she fishes with a bow.
It is better than Orange County Choppers. There is a wide line between entertainment and education.
35Rem
Member
Boy are you in luck! The next show has the OCC boys coming to Red Jacket! Seriously. Ha ha!
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sw44spl
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I seen that what a joke.occ needs to go away
sipowicz
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I can't wait for Sons of Orange County!
Frizzman
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Yuck
I tried to watch an episode last season. I found it boring and it reinforces the stereotype of firearms enthusiasts being unintelligent bubbas...Also, being an older guy I don't find women covered in tattoos very attractive so the daughter doesn't do much for me. One of the cast members looks like Uncle Fester's cousin. I don't think that program does anything positive for people who like shooting and firearms...
I tried to watch an episode last season. I found it boring and it reinforces the stereotype of firearms enthusiasts being unintelligent bubbas...Also, being an older guy I don't find women covered in tattoos very attractive so the daughter doesn't do much for me. One of the cast members looks like Uncle Fester's cousin. I don't think that program does anything positive for people who like shooting and firearms...
Something for all of you "experts" to whine about :
Long range AK Tech Specs
Hey guys,
Getting a ton of questions on the AK Sniper, I want to give y'all a run down on the build.
First we started with a Saiga .308, it was mentioned numerous times, as well as when we chose the off the shelf match ammo and loaded up hand loads for it on camera, I guess it didn't make the cut, details often don't make it in. And whomever would even think a X39 round is capable of that range is probably not a buyer anyway....
We used a stainless Kreiger 1:10 34" blank, it was chambered with an obermeyer match chamber for Reliable feeding and proper throat for the 168 and 175 grain loads and turned down to ~1" and cut at 24".
The gas system was cut as short as possible and uses a Micro Galil piston, the gas tube is a galil piece that was cut down and integrated into the RSB so it would free float and not touch the FGB.
The FGB is a fully new fabricated unit so the gas piston would not touch.
The Barrel was floated and bedded using a block that was integrated and pressed into and onto both the Trunnion and Receiver (Slips under and past the front trunnion for quite a ways, almost to the mag hole) the free float tube was pressed over that block and screwed to the receiver and Bedding block.
The Barrel was head spaced tight after the bolt locking lugs, bolt face, Trunnion and Barrel face was all parallel ground.
The FCG started as an Off the shelf unit which was redesigned and the sear re-profiled to have a neutral and shorter engagement. It was also setup with adjustable pre-travel and over travel stops. The hammer was lightened and the Heaviest hammer spring I could find was used to bring the lock time down (I think it was an FPK).
The Carrier was fitted to the receiver as tightly as possible and smoothed to ensure function, the recoil spring was a brand new Galil Telescoping unit with a new rear over travel stop in place of the .308 version.
The receiver was boxed for stiffening at the rear with an extra heavy weld-on plate and fitted with a PRS stock.
I would like to develop a set of stiffening rails for the whole receiver but the trunnion and bolt lock up tight as hell.
I think that was about it as far as high points, there was a lot of detail stuff done that only shows up as the guns are built.
The First group shown on TV was actually a 5 round group at 100 yards with one as a flyer (new trigger for the shooter), the 4 were in the one hole to the lower right (about .2 MOA) .After that I guess it is kind of uninteresting for TV to see the groups naturally spread as the distance increased... It's hard to beat Shooting through a windshield ,a back glass and popping a bad guy in the neck and hitting an 8"X10" baggy of SureShot tapped to a propane cylinder right behind him for a demonstration of it's capability. We are not on the Military channel guys, little bitty holes punched in paper at 100,500,800 and 1000 yards are not interesting to most of the world, I am surprised that any of the sight in groups even made it in! Red Jacket Firearms "Sons of Guns"
Long range AK Tech Specs
Hey guys,
Getting a ton of questions on the AK Sniper, I want to give y'all a run down on the build.
First we started with a Saiga .308, it was mentioned numerous times, as well as when we chose the off the shelf match ammo and loaded up hand loads for it on camera, I guess it didn't make the cut, details often don't make it in. And whomever would even think a X39 round is capable of that range is probably not a buyer anyway....
We used a stainless Kreiger 1:10 34" blank, it was chambered with an obermeyer match chamber for Reliable feeding and proper throat for the 168 and 175 grain loads and turned down to ~1" and cut at 24".
The gas system was cut as short as possible and uses a Micro Galil piston, the gas tube is a galil piece that was cut down and integrated into the RSB so it would free float and not touch the FGB.
The FGB is a fully new fabricated unit so the gas piston would not touch.
The Barrel was floated and bedded using a block that was integrated and pressed into and onto both the Trunnion and Receiver (Slips under and past the front trunnion for quite a ways, almost to the mag hole) the free float tube was pressed over that block and screwed to the receiver and Bedding block.
The Barrel was head spaced tight after the bolt locking lugs, bolt face, Trunnion and Barrel face was all parallel ground.
The FCG started as an Off the shelf unit which was redesigned and the sear re-profiled to have a neutral and shorter engagement. It was also setup with adjustable pre-travel and over travel stops. The hammer was lightened and the Heaviest hammer spring I could find was used to bring the lock time down (I think it was an FPK).
The Carrier was fitted to the receiver as tightly as possible and smoothed to ensure function, the recoil spring was a brand new Galil Telescoping unit with a new rear over travel stop in place of the .308 version.
The receiver was boxed for stiffening at the rear with an extra heavy weld-on plate and fitted with a PRS stock.
I would like to develop a set of stiffening rails for the whole receiver but the trunnion and bolt lock up tight as hell.
I think that was about it as far as high points, there was a lot of detail stuff done that only shows up as the guns are built.
The First group shown on TV was actually a 5 round group at 100 yards with one as a flyer (new trigger for the shooter), the 4 were in the one hole to the lower right (about .2 MOA) .After that I guess it is kind of uninteresting for TV to see the groups naturally spread as the distance increased... It's hard to beat Shooting through a windshield ,a back glass and popping a bad guy in the neck and hitting an 8"X10" baggy of SureShot tapped to a propane cylinder right behind him for a demonstration of it's capability. We are not on the Military channel guys, little bitty holes punched in paper at 100,500,800 and 1000 yards are not interesting to most of the world, I am surprised that any of the sight in groups even made it in! Red Jacket Firearms "Sons of Guns"
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