It is better than Orange County Choppers. There is a wide line between entertainment and education.
the new sons of guns tonite
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Boy are you in luck! The next show has the OCC boys coming to Red Jacket! Seriously. Ha ha!
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sw44spl
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I seen that what a joke.occ needs to go away
sipowicz
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I can't wait for Sons of Orange County!
Frizzman
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Yuck
I tried to watch an episode last season. I found it boring and it reinforces the stereotype of firearms enthusiasts being unintelligent bubbas...Also, being an older guy I don't find women covered in tattoos very attractive so the daughter doesn't do much for me. One of the cast members looks like Uncle Fester's cousin. I don't think that program does anything positive for people who like shooting and firearms...
I tried to watch an episode last season. I found it boring and it reinforces the stereotype of firearms enthusiasts being unintelligent bubbas...Also, being an older guy I don't find women covered in tattoos very attractive so the daughter doesn't do much for me. One of the cast members looks like Uncle Fester's cousin. I don't think that program does anything positive for people who like shooting and firearms...
Something for all of you "experts" to whine about :
Long range AK Tech Specs
Hey guys,
Getting a ton of questions on the AK Sniper, I want to give y'all a run down on the build.
First we started with a Saiga .308, it was mentioned numerous times, as well as when we chose the off the shelf match ammo and loaded up hand loads for it on camera, I guess it didn't make the cut, details often don't make it in. And whomever would even think a X39 round is capable of that range is probably not a buyer anyway....
We used a stainless Kreiger 1:10 34" blank, it was chambered with an obermeyer match chamber for Reliable feeding and proper throat for the 168 and 175 grain loads and turned down to ~1" and cut at 24".
The gas system was cut as short as possible and uses a Micro Galil piston, the gas tube is a galil piece that was cut down and integrated into the RSB so it would free float and not touch the FGB.
The FGB is a fully new fabricated unit so the gas piston would not touch.
The Barrel was floated and bedded using a block that was integrated and pressed into and onto both the Trunnion and Receiver (Slips under and past the front trunnion for quite a ways, almost to the mag hole) the free float tube was pressed over that block and screwed to the receiver and Bedding block.
The Barrel was head spaced tight after the bolt locking lugs, bolt face, Trunnion and Barrel face was all parallel ground.
The FCG started as an Off the shelf unit which was redesigned and the sear re-profiled to have a neutral and shorter engagement. It was also setup with adjustable pre-travel and over travel stops. The hammer was lightened and the Heaviest hammer spring I could find was used to bring the lock time down (I think it was an FPK).
The Carrier was fitted to the receiver as tightly as possible and smoothed to ensure function, the recoil spring was a brand new Galil Telescoping unit with a new rear over travel stop in place of the .308 version.
The receiver was boxed for stiffening at the rear with an extra heavy weld-on plate and fitted with a PRS stock.
I would like to develop a set of stiffening rails for the whole receiver but the trunnion and bolt lock up tight as hell.
I think that was about it as far as high points, there was a lot of detail stuff done that only shows up as the guns are built.
The First group shown on TV was actually a 5 round group at 100 yards with one as a flyer (new trigger for the shooter), the 4 were in the one hole to the lower right (about .2 MOA) .After that I guess it is kind of uninteresting for TV to see the groups naturally spread as the distance increased... It's hard to beat Shooting through a windshield ,a back glass and popping a bad guy in the neck and hitting an 8"X10" baggy of SureShot tapped to a propane cylinder right behind him for a demonstration of it's capability. We are not on the Military channel guys, little bitty holes punched in paper at 100,500,800 and 1000 yards are not interesting to most of the world, I am surprised that any of the sight in groups even made it in! Red Jacket Firearms "Sons of Guns"
Long range AK Tech Specs
Hey guys,
Getting a ton of questions on the AK Sniper, I want to give y'all a run down on the build.
First we started with a Saiga .308, it was mentioned numerous times, as well as when we chose the off the shelf match ammo and loaded up hand loads for it on camera, I guess it didn't make the cut, details often don't make it in. And whomever would even think a X39 round is capable of that range is probably not a buyer anyway....
We used a stainless Kreiger 1:10 34" blank, it was chambered with an obermeyer match chamber for Reliable feeding and proper throat for the 168 and 175 grain loads and turned down to ~1" and cut at 24".
The gas system was cut as short as possible and uses a Micro Galil piston, the gas tube is a galil piece that was cut down and integrated into the RSB so it would free float and not touch the FGB.
The FGB is a fully new fabricated unit so the gas piston would not touch.
The Barrel was floated and bedded using a block that was integrated and pressed into and onto both the Trunnion and Receiver (Slips under and past the front trunnion for quite a ways, almost to the mag hole) the free float tube was pressed over that block and screwed to the receiver and Bedding block.
The Barrel was head spaced tight after the bolt locking lugs, bolt face, Trunnion and Barrel face was all parallel ground.
The FCG started as an Off the shelf unit which was redesigned and the sear re-profiled to have a neutral and shorter engagement. It was also setup with adjustable pre-travel and over travel stops. The hammer was lightened and the Heaviest hammer spring I could find was used to bring the lock time down (I think it was an FPK).
The Carrier was fitted to the receiver as tightly as possible and smoothed to ensure function, the recoil spring was a brand new Galil Telescoping unit with a new rear over travel stop in place of the .308 version.
The receiver was boxed for stiffening at the rear with an extra heavy weld-on plate and fitted with a PRS stock.
I would like to develop a set of stiffening rails for the whole receiver but the trunnion and bolt lock up tight as hell.
I think that was about it as far as high points, there was a lot of detail stuff done that only shows up as the guns are built.
The First group shown on TV was actually a 5 round group at 100 yards with one as a flyer (new trigger for the shooter), the 4 were in the one hole to the lower right (about .2 MOA) .After that I guess it is kind of uninteresting for TV to see the groups naturally spread as the distance increased... It's hard to beat Shooting through a windshield ,a back glass and popping a bad guy in the neck and hitting an 8"X10" baggy of SureShot tapped to a propane cylinder right behind him for a demonstration of it's capability. We are not on the Military channel guys, little bitty holes punched in paper at 100,500,800 and 1000 yards are not interesting to most of the world, I am surprised that any of the sight in groups even made it in! Red Jacket Firearms "Sons of Guns"
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yet very annoying....
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I was paying close attention and was hoping that they said something about the caliber. I never saw or heard them make any mention of it.
Interesting that it was a .308 Saiga...
Now to nitpick, its not Really an AK
I know Izhmash makes em
I do like the show, just just wish they would show more machining less die grinding. The have/had a cnc (seemed like a small HMC) sitting in the shop, but it never was running. They also have some less than great small lathe and an old Bridgeport mill. They rarely use the machines and we often see the die grinder being used.
Now I know, its TV, most folks dont care about machines. I know it looks cool when sparks fly off the grinder. Sparks are cool so is welding, if they welded some angle iron to make a new shelf that would probably make it past the editor. Also the folks that edit the show are probably in LA, CA and dont know a barrel from a stock.
I am also sure that its hard to come up with a story line that has interest. Not the "oh yeah were going to put on a pistol grip and move the trigger on the "S12" shot gun for the 9000th time". This might make a good gunsmith show not a "reality drama" show...
Next week is MG42s, show us how to put a parts kit together and make it a semi...
I can dream, right
Ive seen some other web site that were really tearing up the show...
It is an interesting show...but gotta say that the claims about the first to build a shotgun for an AR platform....the first 1000 yard AK....those platforms are out there....that is what burns me...instead of saying that you are an original just be up front and say that you built your own....just me
well....she is kinda mousey in apperance but at the same time kinda hot
I think the fact she is knowledgable of guns makes her a little hotter.
sipowicz
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30 seconds of any gun brought into Pawn Stars or found on American Pickers is more interesting than what they do on Sons of Guns for an entire show. Chroming a M1919 and painting it with a cheesy looking dragon? Then putting handle bars on it to imperss the American Chopper guys but you can't figure out how to get the trigger to function via a cable? Really?
DeathGrip
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They aren't allowed to show you the good stuff, so what more can you expect? And by the good stuff, I mean the stuff that gets you thrown in jail. If you watch the program very closely, you can actually tell which lines are written and which aren't. They're not very good actors. I'd rather see Troy yelling "Chooot it!" any day.
george minze
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It is what it is....TV....Period end of quote !!
You're right about the editing issues . And as far as the shop / machining thing , Will has two shops and a third coming on line as we speak . There is a lot more to RJF than you see on TV .I was paying close attention and was hoping that they said something about the caliber. I never saw or heard them make any mention of it.
Interesting that it was a .308 Saiga...
Now to nitpick, its not Really an AK
I know Izhmash makes em
I do like the show, just just wish they would show more machining less die grinding. The have/had a cnc (seemed like a small HMC) sitting in the shop, but it never was running. They also have some less than great small lathe and an old Bridgeport mill. They rarely use the machines and we often see the die grinder being used.
Now I know, its TV, most folks dont care about machines. I know it looks cool when sparks fly off the grinder. Sparks are cool so is welding, if they welded some angle iron to make a new shelf that would probably make it past the editor. Also the folks that edit the show are probably in LA, CA and dont know a barrel from a stock.
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pilgrim6a
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This is THE QUESTION !!
WOULD YOU LET THESE PEOPLE WORK ON ONE OF YOUR GUNS ?
WOULD YOU LET THESE PEOPLE WORK ON ONE OF YOUR GUNS ?
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