Yes, the FFL system is ridiculous, but the NFA 1934 eliminated entire classes of firearms.
the right to keep and bear (carry) arms
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Yes, the FFL system is ridiculous, but the NFA 1934 eliminated entire classes of firearms.
How do you define most?
I am not carrying when I'm in bed asleep, but something is at hand. I actually just did a quick count of how many hours in a week I am awake but not carrying. Right now when it's really hot and I am having problems with a decent hot weather carry rig I am without something on me approximately 12 hours out of the week. Nearly all of those hours are because I'm in a place where carry is forbidden by federal law. I do carry at home all the time and nearly all the time I leave home.
Would that qualify as "most"?
I have a thought on that. Montana has citizens initiatives for both laws and amendments to the state constitution. I am thinking of writing a initiative to form a Montana volunteer militia that answers to first their county sheriff then the governor. Just need to swear to uphold the Montana state Constitution to join. Available for voluntary duty during times of county or state crisis. Or maybe just an intuitive that states that Montana regards its lawful citizens as voluntary members of the state militia available for duty in times of state or county crisis.
Here I don't think it would have any problems passing.
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While I agree we are all memberas of the militia that doesn't hold true in the eyes of many!
Plus the National Guard is also controlled by the Federal government. Plus, not everyone can be in it, would want to be. If you construe the National guard to mean the militia I disagree. During the time the constitution was written there was no guard or reserve. There was only the people willing to volunteer.
If a state constitutional amendment states that all the citizens of the state are too be considered members of the states milita if they so desire the fed can pound sand if they say the 2nd only covers the militia as everyone in the state would be covered.
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I keep seeing this so I did some research.
Hitler liberalized the extremely restrictive Weimar gun laws, unless you were Jewish, which of course was a mighty important exclusion. Nazi party members were exempt from the gun laws which no doubt was quite an incentive to join.
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Not against the law in S.C. IF you are not drinking.
UPDATE: WATCHDOG pointed me to the legislation that changed this. LLB is correct.
Yes it is. Actually a pretty serious offense.
The law:
SECTION 16-23-465. Additional penalty for unlawfully carrying pistol or firearm onto premises of business selling alcoholic liquor, beer or wine for on-premises consumption; exceptions.
(A) In addition to the penalties provided for by Sections 16-11-330, 16-11-620, 16-23-460, 23-31-220, and Article 1, Chapter 23, Title 16, a person convicted of carrying a firearm into a business which sells alcoholic liquor, beer, or wine for consumption on the premises is guilty of a misdemeanor, and, upon conviction, must be fined not more than two thousand dollars or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.
B)(1) This section does not apply to a person carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to and in compliance with Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23; however, the person shall not consume alcoholic liquor, beer, or wine while carrying the concealable weapon on the business' premises. A person who violates this item may be charged with a violation of subsection (A).
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Lee's Landing Billy
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AMEN..The question we always ask here is "With all that you know is wrong with everything, what will have to happen for YOU to do something!?"
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YOU ARE WRONG!!! Simple to just Google it. Haley signed the bill February 11, 2014. Legal to carry where alcohol is served as long as you are not drinking!!
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Sir, if you do not know it is legal to carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol then you are INDEED behind the times. Obviously since February 11, 2014. If you have the information in front of you and you choose to ignore it, then that is INDEED bad juju. Really, just look. I await your reply.
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Ditto for North Carolina. I think our laws were revised in 2011. We can carry concealed in quite a few places we weren't allowed to carry in before.
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*I* am part of the well-regulated militia. Everyone is. The intention of the Founders was to preserve the right of the people to protect themselves not only from harm directed at me by others, but also against a tyrannical government, who might seek to usurp the people's power.
Critical to this is a measly little comma: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." That comma separates two distinct clauses. The first addresses the "security of a free state." The second speaks to the individual right, which "shall not be infringed."
Of the second, the operative directive is "shall not." It doesn't say "should not," or "ought not," or even "may not." No, it declaratively prohibits the government from "infringing" on this right. Remember, the Constitution was developed to define the kind of government this new republic would have, and to RESTRICT its power over the states and the people.
Anyone who says the Constitution grants rights has been drinking the Regressive's Kool-Aid.
Sir, I presented to you the law. I gave you a link to the state government's repository of laws. You are on your own, now.
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From Code of Laws - Title 16 - Chapter 23 - Offenses Involving Weapons:
For those who don't know, Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23 refers to the laws governing concealed weapon permits.
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Are you saying that it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon in South Carolina restaurants and bars that serve alcohol?
If so, you are wrong.
Governor Nikki Haley signed S.308 into law on February 11, 2014. Over two years ago.
This law allows South Carolina residents who have a concealed carry license to "enter and remain in a restaurant or bar that serves alcohol."
That means SC folks can carry their favorite handgun to their favorite restaurant and enjoy a meal while armed. It doesn't get any more clear than that.
The licensee is not, however, allowed to consume any alcohol while carrying concealed. To do so would subject him/her to a $2K fine and up to two years imprisonment.
The owner of these establishments may prohibit carrying of weapons inside, but must post appropriate SC-approved signage.
Governor Haley's signing of S.308 was widely reported in South Carolina and national media.
You may read about S.308's passage and signing here, here, and here. Or even here.
These people aren't making this stuff up.
I have friends and relatives just across the state line in South Carolina (Rock Hill, Fort Mill, Lancaster), so I'm a frequent visitor there. We go to dinner in places that serve alcohol. One of my friends carries a Colt Defender .45 concealed when we are eating in a place that serves alcohol. He does this legally.
Here's a photo of your governor signing S.308 into law in February of 2014. This really happened. It's the law. Period.
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Tennessee passed "Guns in Bars" back in 2009, allowing handgun carry in bars.
Lots of hysteria at the time it was proposed. Despite the anti-gun all-rights-are-limited echo chamber and predictions of doom, we've been doing fine for the past 7 years. Imagine that... responsible gun owners acting responsibly absent government's infringement leash around their necks. Who woulda thunk?
The Founders got it right. Shall Not Be Infringed.
Lots of hysteria at the time it was proposed. Despite the anti-gun all-rights-are-limited echo chamber and predictions of doom, we've been doing fine for the past 7 years. Imagine that... responsible gun owners acting responsibly absent government's infringement leash around their necks. Who woulda thunk?
The Founders got it right. Shall Not Be Infringed.
Very good, gentlemen. You came up with something I could search for:
South Carolina Legislature Online - Search
Leaving me wondering why 16-23-465 was not changed.
Further reading, the change was appended below:
B)(1) This section does not apply to a person carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to and in compliance with Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23; however, the person shall not consume alcoholic liquor, beer, or wine while carrying the concealable weapon on the business' premises. A person who violates this item may be charged with a violation of subsection (A).
I stand corrected. And I feel better, knowing I can carry concealed in more places.
I'm miffed the NRA didn't inform me; they tell me about all sorts of other stuff. This would have been useful.
South Carolina Legislature Online - Search
Leaving me wondering why 16-23-465 was not changed.
Further reading, the change was appended below:
B)(1) This section does not apply to a person carrying a concealable weapon pursuant to and in compliance with Article 4, Chapter 31, Title 23; however, the person shall not consume alcoholic liquor, beer, or wine while carrying the concealable weapon on the business' premises. A person who violates this item may be charged with a violation of subsection (A).
I stand corrected. And I feel better, knowing I can carry concealed in more places.
I'm miffed the NRA didn't inform me; they tell me about all sorts of other stuff. This would have been useful.
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Last night S.C. Legislature passed a bill to do away with CWP. It was coat tailed on a bill concerning Georgia reciprocity. It still has to pass the Senate and is almost certain they will not take it up this session. Perhaps next go round for "The Show". Horry just elected their Senators for next term, we will be watching them...Hope Springs Eternal
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