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I posted regarding this #540, history repeats, nuf sed.
The Russians have gone in
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I posted regarding this #540, history repeats, nuf sed.
Border post, I doubt NATO does anything other than what they have done.
Heard a very good point today. The final outcome of these events could very well tip the world balance to China as WWII did to the rise of America. At the end Europe and the west is left with major destruction in Ukraine and who knows where else. Russia is bankrupt and will become China's Walmart for cheap gas and resources.
So, from the reading of what's public, it seems like we are trying to get Ukraine:
-An unspecified number of Turkish Bayaktar drones to complement the 20 they use effectively now
-Russian-made S-300 anti-aircraft system w/radar (from NATO nation Slovakia) to complement existing Ukrainian S-300s
-Counter-battery radar systems that pinpoint artillery locations once a gun or mortar fires
-Avenger (US) light vehicle-mounted Stinger systems.
Grab your posterior, tovarisch!
-An unspecified number of Turkish Bayaktar drones to complement the 20 they use effectively now
-Russian-made S-300 anti-aircraft system w/radar (from NATO nation Slovakia) to complement existing Ukrainian S-300s
-Counter-battery radar systems that pinpoint artillery locations once a gun or mortar fires
-Avenger (US) light vehicle-mounted Stinger systems.
Grab your posterior, tovarisch!
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Some good stuff there. But MIG 29s would be just too much?
Public DoD analysis shows they already only do 5 sorties daily with 55 serviceable aircraft, and that Russian aircraft stay along the Russian border. Both sides have effective AA systems functioning, apparently; more planes you won't fly aren't that helpful.
In the series of trials of Third Reich leaders that took place after World War II, the first charge in the indictment against them was that they conspired to wage an aggressive war. Putin committed a serious war crime the moment his forces entered Ukraine; everything else since then has just been the icing on the cake.
https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/war-crimes.shtml
Respectfully, sir...we ARE at war. Ukrainian Member of Parliament Kira Rudik is correct: World War III has begun. We and other Western nations have taken the side of Ukraine, and we've undertaken actions to punish Putin and his country, to cripple their economy. The Russians, in turn, are conducting a cyber-warfare campaign against us (as they have been for years) and trying to harm our country.
No, American and Russian troops are not yet shooting at each other...but we are most certainly at war.
Ukrainian parliament member: 'We are all already in World War Three'
More fantasizing: from the Battle Creek, MI ANG. (Cereal Killers).
They work Grrreat!
They work Grrreat!
No body is going to send A10s. Too bad.
UncleEd
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At the risk of thread drift:
Seriously, is the Warthog
viable as an attack
(not infantry support) weapon
if the foe has anything like
Stinger missiles?
Seriously, is the Warthog
viable as an attack
(not infantry support) weapon
if the foe has anything like
Stinger missiles?
Booger sez:
Can't we all just get along?
John
Can't we all just get along?
John
No - neither are MiG-29s. Stingers reach over a mile. Correction, 3800 meters.
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Stingers have a greater range than I realized. Here's some more info:
"The Stinger missile can hit targets flying as high as 11,500 feet (3,500 meters), and has a range of about 5 miles (8 kilometers). This means that the target is an airplane less than 2 miles (3.21 kilometers) high and it is visible as a shape (rather than a dot), then most likely the Stinger missile can hit it. They are extremely accurate."
How Stinger Missiles Work | HowStuffWorks
"The Stinger missile can hit targets flying as high as 11,500 feet (3,500 meters), and has a range of about 5 miles (8 kilometers). This means that the target is an airplane less than 2 miles (3.21 kilometers) high and it is visible as a shape (rather than a dot), then most likely the Stinger missile can hit it. They are extremely accurate."
How Stinger Missiles Work | HowStuffWorks
UncleEd
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You just gave away the story
outline for Sylvester Stallone's
next movie.
(In all seriousness, or not,
an elite Kremlin Regiment exists
to do a bit of protecting. Easily
taken by Sly and the gang.)
Putin the Poisoner needs to worry more about the loyalty of his food tasters.
Interesting article from the New York Times, on the surprising effectiveness of Ukraine's drones. Most experts expected the Russians to shoot them down early on, but that hasn't happened.
Not to make light of the horror of what's going on over there, but Putin's army is increasingly looking like the gang that couldn't shoot straight. Inept, poorly-supplied, and unable to fight effectively with the tools they've brought. Apparently, they can't even protect their own senior leaders; according to reports, Ukrainian snipers have killed three Russian generals.
It's become a mantra with me when discussing this situation: Russian conscripts will never fight as hard to conquer Ukraine as the gallant Ukrainians will fight to defend it.
Over Ukraine, Lumbering Turkish-Made Drones Are an Ominous Sign for Russia - The New York Times
Third Russian general 'killed' in Ukraine in eight days in latest blow to Vladimir Putin's forces | Daily Mail Online
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