The truth about the M&P 10mm..

[mrshyvley]

Are they really malfunctioning as much as I hear? I got to handle an M&P 10mm Comp the other day and I like so much better than the Glock 20. However, there seems to be all sorts of caterwauling about these pistols malfunctioning,,,is this real thing or just people b**ching?

It's not just "b**ching" in my case and IS the real thing.

I LOVE the M&P platform and have two M&P 40/357 pistols that are great dependable pistols.
They fit my hand like a glove.

But my 4.6" 10mm that I bought new in March of 2022 has had problems shooting 200 grain hard cast without jamming and dropping the magazine.
And recently even began having trouble reliably shooting S&B 180 grain JHP which it never had trouble with until recently.

I believe maybe due to the magazine springs getting weaker from use.
I'm finding reports that S&W has stronger magazine springs in the newer magazines.
So I got in some Stringer Precision magazine springs for my original early magazines and will try them out soon to see if it fixes the problem.

 

[snw19_357]

I next fired a magazine of Sellier & Ballot 180grain JHP without incident.

Next, I had somebody else fire a magazine of the Sellier & Ballot 180grain JHP, and he had the magazine drop out once.

On what round of how many?

UP until now, the Sellier & Ballot 180grain JHP had worked perfectly for me.

Still has? The "magazine drop out" for "somebody else"?

 

[S-W4EVER]

... Bought a couple of Walther's and will be also replacing the 9 and 40 eventually because I like them better all around...

Not to hijack this thread but I bought my first Walther, a PPS M1 when S&W was selling them ("Thin is In"). An accurate & reliable pistol that I like so much that I bought a PPS M2 to keep it company and if I was in the market for a full size pistol Walther is the first pistol I'd look at (to keep company with my P1).

 

[doubletapp357]

My Performance Center is something special

While I dont claim to be an "expert" in this category. I will tell you that my collection is predominantly 10mm pistols (23 to be exact) I mostly collect metal framed 10mms and I without hesitation pick my Smith and Wesson 5.6 Performance center 99 percent of the time. The pistol just feels to be an extension of myself. I have well over 3000 rounds of full power 10mm...125 grain double-tap, 130 grain- 180 grain Underwood, buffalo core to hardcast....not one issue.....I did one modification which was a $8 magazine spring for my extended magazines....21 rounds of 200 grain Underwood or my favorite Hornady 155 grain American Handgun keeps my mind at ease..... I love this pistol

 

[mrshyvley]

On what round of how many?

Still has? The "magazine drop out" for "somebody else"?

It was in the middle of shooting a full magazine.

It was my son in law, who is in no way a novice shooter.

The point is, as much as I like this pistol, it has issues.
The main one from the beginning, it won't shoot 200 grain hard cast without jamming/dropping the magazine.
So it's useless as a woods pistol.

It's easy enough to find many accounts of dropped magazine and jamming malfunctions going back to the early versions of this pistol and early magazines, which mine is.

 

[Roller_Delayed]

I have both the 4.6" and 4". They both worked fine for about 200 rounds each, then had intermittent problems going into battery - regardless of ammo.
I swapped out the magazine springs with MUCH stronger Springer springs and since then - after an additional 300 +/- rounds each - I have had ZERO problems feeding any kind of ammo.
S&W has to know about this problem, and they should be more responsive about it. It was annoying to track down the issue and implement a solution that I had to pay for.

 

[mrshyvley]

I have both the 4.6" and 4". They both worked fine for about 200 rounds each, then had intermittent problems going into battery - regardless of ammo.
I swapped out the magazine springs with MUCH stronger Springer springs and since then - after an additional 300 +/- rounds each - I have had ZERO problems feeding any kind of ammo.
S&W has to know about this problem, and they should be more responsive about it. It was annoying to track down the issue and implement a solution that I had to pay for.

I got some Springer springs installed in my 10mm magazines.
Haven't had a chance to try them yet.
They definitely are stronger than the springs in the four I got early in 2022.

Only thing is with them, I only have my fingers to load them, and on three out of the four magazines I have, I can only get 14 rounds in the magazine.
Only one will take all 15.

I need to get a magazine loader of some kind that will let me push them down enough to get the 15th round in.

 

[deadduck357]

I don't own one but my uncle bought one (2.0) A few months ago and he can't stop talk about how much he likes it. Never has had an issue, feeds it all types of ammo. It has become his main carry pistol now.

 

[mrshyvley]

I don't own one but my uncle bought one (2.0) A few months ago and he can't stop talk about how much he likes it. Never has had an issue, feeds it all types of ammo. It has become his main carry pistol now.

You might ask your uncle if he's ever fired 200 grain and larger hard cast bullets with wide flat tips with it?

But as was said by oworthstr in post #13 of this thread, the early bugs may have been dealt with.
I know I still don't trust my early (March 2022 bought) 10mm 4.6" enough to carry it.

From post #13
"...A former business partner sits on S&W's board of directors.
Early in 2023 I called him and asked about reported FTF/FTE problems and magazine shortages with the S&W M&P 2.0 10mm pistols, and S&W's response.
He mentioned S&W's issues (1) related to its relocation and (2) arising from the COVID work slowdown.
He told me that S&W tweaked the magazine design and changed the recoil springs in the last half of 2022.
Those fixes likely began hitting the retailers' shelves early in 2023. ..."

 

[BravoRomeo]

Hard to beat the Tisas Yukon 10mm. Concealment is a breeze. Feels great in the hands. Shoots even better. Accurate.

Colt 1911 70 Series
Novak Style 3-Dot Fixed
Ed Brown Bobtail

 

[mrshyvley]

Hard to beat the Tisas Yukon 10mm. Concealment is a breeze. Feels great in the hands. Shoots even better. Accurate.

Colt 1911 70 Series
Novak Style 3-Dot Fixed
Ed Brown Bobtail

Looks like a nice pistol.
It just doesn't have enough round capacity for my purposes.

 

[jbenedetto2]

No problems

Over 1,000 rounds with ZERO problems. Great shooter.

 

[drycreek]

I have a Tisas 10 mm, a Glock 20, and an M&P 10 mm. I prefer the M&P to the rest. I have had zero complaints with mine, but I haven't shot it extensively either I carry an M&P Shield Plus daily.

 

[mrshyvley]

It's not just "b**ching" in my case and IS the real thing.

I LOVE the M&P platform and have two M&P 40/357 pistols that are great dependable pistols.
They fit my hand like a glove.

But my 4.6" 10mm that I bought new in March of 2022 has had problems shooting 200 grain hard cast without jamming and dropping the magazine.
And recently even began having trouble reliably shooting S&B 180 grain JHP which it never had trouble with until recently.

I believe maybe due to the magazine springs getting weaker from use.
I'm finding reports that S&W has stronger magazine springs in the newer magazines.
So I got in some Stringer Precision magazine springs for my original early magazines and will try them out soon to see if it fixes the problem.

I added to the Apex Failure Resistant Extractor with Springer Extra Power magazine springs to my magazines that were all from early 2022.
Pistol Ser# NLX145x was purchased new in March of 2022.

8-4-24 did an initial test.
I loaded 5 Double Tap Hard Cast 200 grain with the wide front tip rounds into a magazine that didn't load far enough down that the bullet tips could hit the magazine catch.

Configuration, Apex Failure Resistant Extractor and Springer extra power magazine spring.

Fired two shots without jamming, but popped the magazine out about 1/2 inch after second shot, but not forcefully popped out like when stock.
Attempted to fire 3rd round, striker released with no shot being fired.
Found that chamber was empty and no round was stripped from magazine after the second shot.

IN MY case, an Apex Failure Resistant Extractor and Springer extra power magazine springs haven't fixed my pistol like is claimed by others.



I sure wish the specific details of the tweaks mentioned in Post #13 S&W did ("...tweaked the magazine design and changed the recoil springs in the last half of 2022 ...") would be revealed.

HOW was the magazine design tweaked?
WHAT change to the recoil spring was made?

 

[Imshootin]

Mine has ran perfectly. No issues.

 

[snw19_357]

I added...Springer Extra Power magazine springs to my magazines...

8-4-24 did an initial test.
...
Fired two shots without jamming, but popped the magazine out about 1/2 inch after second shot, but not forcefully popped out like when stock.

So the 'Extra Power magazine springs popped the mag out 1/2" but the stock springs caused the mag to drop free?

 

[mrshyvley]

So the 'Extra Power magazine springs popped the mag out 1/2" but the stock springs caused the mag to drop free?

Yes.
Completely stock, when I tried shooting the Double Tap 200 grain flatnose hard cast 200 grain, it forcefully ejected the magazine out of the bottom of the grip onto the ground.
Then ended up with a nose up jam with the bullet end pushed up against the stop opening of the chamber.

But with the Apex extractor, and the Springer Precision Extra Power magazine springs, it softly ejected the magazine and left an empty chamber with no new round in it.

And I note that I only loaded 5 rounds, chambers the first one which left 4 rounds in the magazine.
So there's no way the bullet end could hit the magazine release.

 

[tim808]

To the OP
I also want to get an M&P 10mm but I don't want to be another beta tester for S&W. I learned my lesson on the original M&P's that had the dead trigger issue. It took about 5 years for S&W to implement the needed correction.

The 10mm has only been out for 3 years. I'm going to wait a few more years to let the beta testers find all the bugs and for S&W to make the needed changes.

If you "need" a 10mm now, it might be more prudent to get 10mm that has a longer / better track record….unless your okay with the possibility of getting an unreliable 10mm and possibly needing to tinker with it or send it back to get it working.

Don't know what your 10mm will be used for. I plan to use mine only as a range toy.

I wouldn't spend a lot of money to travel to hunt with a pistol and pack a s&w MP 10mm. Would not want to spend all that time and money to bring along a 10mm with only a spotty 3 year track record and was obviously not tested very long before being put on the market.

Nor would I bring a S&W 10mm as a secondary if I were to go hunting some where like Alaska.

The MP has great ergonomics but S&W doesn't test their products as much as much as other makers.

No military uses the MP. (The US gaving MP's to Iraq doesn't really count). Not many police depts use the MP. I believe the majority of police depts use Glock.
I'm not aware of any government dept that uses the MP.

My MP CORE 40L is my range toy. I don't really care for Glocks…but they have a good long track record for being reliable…so I own several. I consider Glocks as tools. I like tools to work reliably when I need them.

All that aside, I would love to get a MP10mm when the bugs are worked out

A G20 is like the wife after 3 kids and 30years of marriage….who now has more of a matronly look ……but is trust worthy/reliable. The MP10mm is that svelte beautiful young co-worker with a bad reputation lol!! And most of us are like moths to a candle flame. One part of our brain is saying it might be a bad idea but we still can find a way to justify taking the plunge lol!!

Best wishes if you take the plunge!!

 

[tim808]

Sorry…DT!
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[WarriorInWaiting]

10mm consideration

Mine was a ***,as was the 45 2.0 I had. Key word is had.

Failure to go into battery.
Light primmer strikes.
Stove pipe's.
Poor accuracy.
10mm would drop mags.

This was with both guns.

I got just about most of the issues worked out but gave up and got rid of them.

My 2.0 9mm, and 40 run like a theif.

Use the 9mm for USPSA.

Bought a couple of Walther's and will be also replacing the 9 and 40 eventually because I like them better all around.

When I get another 10mm it will be in a 1911 platform, or an FN510 or both.

I can't speak for the reliability of the S&W 2.0 10mm but I can say with confidence that if youre in the market for a good reliable double stack 10mm, Rock Island Armory is an amazing choice. I edc their 16+1rd 10mm full size, all steel 1911 and it has been an amazing choice for under $1k. I got the version with a threaded barrel, flared magwell, and accessory picatinny rail, finding a holster that works with a weapon light is difficult but not impossible, safariland makes a great kydex holster for it if you arent running a weapon light, and it has run every cheap and expensive round that I have tried in it as well as my last model which lacked a threaded barrel and picatinny rail which is why I got a new one, but if i have the money someday i will get it back because it worked great in my leather 1911/2011 holster, most comfortable way ive found to carry it, but either way, its a great choice.