The UnZander Special

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Guzzitaco has been busy of late.

Over the past few months we've talked about doing some custom work on my 457S. I like the gun, but the stainless slide makes it a bit heavier than I like if I decide to carry it.

So, the plan we came up with was that I'd find a carbon slide and send it off to him for custom work. As anyone who owns a Value Line gun, the black finish on the slide is, uh, a bit thin. Yeah, that's it, thin. That's why Zander's only hold their value if they aren't actually carried.

As it happened shortly after that I found a complete slide in good condition on Ebay. The price was too cheap to pass up, so I bought it.

On Guzzi's recommendation I also bought a new 4513 metal rear sight. On my own, I bought a new front sight since the one that came with the gun was pretty beat up.

I shipped all of that, along with a slide stop lever to him so he could work his magic on it.

The plan was to strip the slide down, make scallop cuts, add front serrations, cut a "U" notch in the rear sight, then install both sights, thin down the slide stop and safety lever, and of course blue the slide and other parts.

Guzzi was a bit concerned about thinning the safety and slide stop, but I reassured him that it would help with the thinning of the profile. Both came out exactly as I envisioned.

As he always does, he sent along plenty of detailed pictures of the progress of the work. I'll let him upload as many of those as he wants to this thread.

The slide came in the mail today and so I took the 457S out of the safe, stripped off the upper and put it aside.

I lubed the rails and frame lugs and installed the newly rebuilt slide on it.

Here are the results. My photography skills don't do the finished product justice. The bluing is beautiful and really sets off the silver anodized frame.

I won't say that this is the gun that S&W should have built because they built the Value Line guns for a reason and to a price point. Maybe it's the gun that Zander should have asked them to build, but that's in the distant past.

I will say that this, along with similar recent projects, shows what can be done with a Value Line slide to make it look elegant and not like a block of wood carved by a Cub Scout.

The scallop cut on the left side of the slide doesn't show all that well, but it's there.

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The first one he did , which was for me , was a Zander's Special . Mine was well used , and yes the black was down to a gray . It was done before he got his mill , everything by hand .

I can see he's perfecting his craft . He's got my 908S which will be with an extra blued slide . I really like that two toned look . He also has a 5906 which we found a slide for , blued of course .

Now you have me wanting . I have a 457S also , which would be nice with an extra blued slide with Guzzi's magic on it . Yours came out like all his work , beautiful with Guzzi's heart and soul in it .
 
He is indeed perfecting his craft. As I mentioned, he was a bit hesitant to do the thinning on the slide stop and safety lever. They came out exactly as I had anticipated.

With a good mill, he'll be able to do great work, just a bit faster than doing it by hand.

His bluing technique is, and I'm not a big fan of this phrase "old school." It works well and demonstrates that you can do a lot with simple tools, knowledge, and patience.

I don't think I'm overstating when I saw he's an artist with his work.

The first one he did , which was for me , was a Zander's Special . Mine was well used , and yes the black was down to a gray . It was done before he got his mill , everything by hand .

I can see he's perfecting his craft . He's got my 908S which will be with an extra blued slide . I really like that two toned look . He also has a 5906 which we found a slide for , blued of course .

Now you have me wanting . I have a 457S also , which would be nice with an extra blued slide with Guzzi's magic on it . Yours came out like all his work , beautiful with Guzzi's heart and soul in it .
 
Zander is a large firearms distributor. Along with Lou Horton, another large distributor they sometimes got S&W to make special runs of firearms that were exclusive to them.

In the case of the Value Line guns, they made a two tone 457 and (I think) a two town 908. Both had silver anodized frames and black finished slides.

The black finished slides of all of the Value Line guns have very thin coatings. The running joke is that they can be refinished with a Sharpie.

Guzzitaco doesn't do that, he blues the slides. Look up a couple of threads where he has posted pictures and you'll see that he uses basic equipment and techniques, but gets superb results.


Please excuse my ignorance but who's Zander?
 
OK, you guys doing custom slides for/on Value Line Guns, I picked up a Model 910 slide assembly by accident thinking I could use it on my 639 Franken-Smith. I've found a 439 and a 915 slide to complete the F-S project but that poor orphan 910 slide is still waiting in a corner of my S&W parts bin, hoping to be rescued and appreciated. Any potential foster parents out there? :)

Froggie
 
Hi guys,

This was a great project and I had a fun during the process...

Some pics of the "transformation"


the orphan slide was in so-so condition, but not the worst I have seen...


some scratches on the top...


Removing extractor was easy...


cleaned all the parts...


labeled the box...:D


made a "plan"...


"drew" some reference lines...













more to come...
:)
 
I forgot to mention the extensive texting before and during the process. Guzzi sent a lot of pictures at each stage of the work. We discussed everything because he wanted to produce exactly what I wanted. And he did!
 
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And here I was happily clueless thinking that my guns were just fine the way they came from the factory. So now I have to rethink that and figure out what I might like to have to have done and to which guns. That is awesome work Guzzi and you now have the wheels in my head spinning, lol.
 
Outside of the Chief's Specials, the 457 is unique among Value Line guns in that it has no direct analog among the regular 3rd Generation semi autos. The 45413TSW is the closest, but it's not that close.

The 457 frame has most of the features of the 3rd Gen guns, with the major difference being the magazine release. The slide is another story. It's blocky, with a cheap finish, and plastic sights.

That said, it has a lot of potential, which Guzzi realized to its full extent.

And here I was happily clueless thinking that my guns were just fine the way they came from the factory. So now I have to rethink that and figure out what I might like to have to have done and to which guns. That is awesome work Guzzi and you now have the wheels in my head spinning, lol.
 
And here I was happily clueless thinking that my guns were just fine the way they came from the factory. So now I have to rethink that and figure out what I might like to have to have done and to which guns. That is awesome work Guzzi and you now have the wheels in my head spinning, lol.
hey...thanks a lot...

I would be inclined to polish the high sides of the flats prior to bluing for a two-tone look.

Really great work. Makes me miss my PC945.

hey...
I like that idea and I have thought about it...maybe in the future (short future) :D

If you look closely you will see that the scallop (high sides) has a rougher texture (flatter black) than the low parts (sating black)...it is a subtle difference, but is there...
 
Next step was to fit the front sight...


these plastic sights are a pain in the neck to fit...

Somewhere along the process, I beveled the edges after the milling...but I didn't take any pics :rolleyes:



blasted, blasted and blasted some more...






hot bluing in my small setup


boiled in hot water to eliminate any traces of salts...


took one step off of the safety...






and...2 steps off the slide stop...


blasted... and applied some "cold" black oxide (don't love this treatment...in the process of developing a hot black oxide for stainless)


extractor installation was a smooth process




rear sight was a bit stubborn...


almost ready...









more to come...
:)
Guzzi
 
Quick question, it's come up on other threads. In your experience. Are the slide stop and safety/decocker lever, stainless under the black finish?
 
Quick question, it's come up on other threads. In your experience. Are the slide stop and safety/decocker lever, stainless under the black finish?

Hi Matt,
yes...all the slide stops and safety/decocker for the 3rd gens that I have handled are stainless. They come black with some "black oxide" process. I use an EPI "cold" solution to retouch, but I haven't been 100% satisfied with the results. I will be testing a "hot" black oxide process after summer.

For my M5906 frankengun project, I found a couple of single side safeties from a model 39 that were carbon steel. However, I believe they had a high content of chromium because they took a really high temp to hot blue at the right color.

I have never handled a carbon steel slide stop, perhaps on of the first gens or second gens, you know with S&W, never say never...:D
 
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