They kill a White Buffalo on Ted Nugents TV Show

[SFury79]

My point here is not how people hunt. That is there own business. It is about shooting a animal that is very special to Native Americans! Or for that matter, anybody that has a soul.

They aren't that special. It's a recessive genetic trait that is rather common amongst farm-bred animals. This holds true for whitetail deer as well. The reality is, that genetic trait tends to get wild animals killed, but that's not really an issue on farms.

As for shooting a white buffalo, sure the owner has a right to make a buck. But selling a very rare genetic specimen that is also revered as a cultural icon, to a hunter on a canned hunt, is at best insensitive, if not just plain stupid. He could have sold it to a tribal government - or donated it and taken a tax credit - and gotten a better return on his investment. We used to work with a tribal grazing association. A white buffalo is an opportunity to secure additional and or longer term grazing rights. At a minimum it buys you and your operation a huge amount of good well and future support.

They are not all that rare. That's what people need to understand. What you think could happen, just doesn't happen.

90% of today’s “hunters” are just guys who sit it a stand and execute deer, bear, boar etc. Not exactly fair chase. Thermo scopes, silencers, electronics of all kinds. Most aren’t capable of field dressing their own kill.

Have you ever hunted the eastern hardwoods? Stand hunting is what most of us do. It's because we can't be nearly as successful with the stalking method. Also, most eastern hunters don't use those items, outside of silencers (where legal) because they are not needed for daytime hunts.

There's a lot more work to getting things done to prepare for the hunt. I spend more time preparing for the hunt than participating in the gun deer season. It's a very short window of time.

It's not like it is out west. Vastly different terrain dictates what hunting methods are better to use.

 

[llowry61]

You pay for meat one way or another. I wonder how much it matters if it was shot in a small pen at a slaughterhouse or a pen large enough that you don't realize it is a pen. The end result is the same. FWIW, as long as it gets eaten or utilized in some constructive manner or financially benefits wildlife overall then it isn't wanton waste.

Personally, I like the overall experience of hunting meaning scouting, setting stands, trimming shooting lanes and hopefully harvesting a mature animal. To me the shots are such a small part of hunting that they are almost anticlimactic. The old saying after the shot the work begins is true because next comes, gutting dragging butchering etc. I think modern hunting has created a financial incentive that helps wildlife overall.

If a guy wants to go to a buffalo farm and shoot one go for it. Same as buying black angus cattle live and having them butchered.

As for dangerous game hunting, I can understand the appeal of matching wits with an apex predator. I also know that fair chase hunts require a lot of time, patience and there are no guarantees except how expensive they are.

On another note, anyone who thinks hunting is a cheap way to get meat has never hunted.

 

[THE PILGRIM]

A while back an Air Force Academy ‘Third Lieutenant’ was assigned to my office.
He was raised in Alaska , his Dad worked for the FAA.
His Dad was a prolific Moose hunter. He basically fed his family with Moose meat.
When our Academy guy came South he said Beef tasted funny!
His Dad would only take a Cow near the road.
Usually two a year,
Never had any Moose.
Have had Bison.
It’s as tasty as Homemade Pastry!

 

[Baltimoreed11754]

Hunted small game and deer in my youth. Haven’t hunted in 30 plus years but I shoot matches twice a month. Enjoy the gun shows a bunch, would love another season of Top Shot. But whenever I would stumble on these ‘hunting’ shows I root for the critter nowadays.

 

[kev74]

The canned hunts don't bother me.

I figure Ted's buffalo had a better chance (and a better life) than the pig that died for my dinner or the cow that died for my shoes.

 

[dsf]

My point here is not how people hunt. That is there own business. It is about shooting a animal that is very special to Native Americans! Or for that matter, anybody that has a soul.

Is this the nut of the issue, so to speak? That certain animals are off limits to everyone because they are sacred to a particular group - of which a person may no belong? The term "Sacred Cow" comes to mind with respect to those other "Indians". And wonder, when Indians in North America were running herds of bison off cliffs did they take care to ensure no white ones were caught up in the killing?

Are North American Indians allowed to hunt animals others consider sacred?

It seems to me "fair chase" is what matters most.

 

[mtgianni]

90% of today’s “hunters” are just guys who sit it a stand and execute deer, bear, boar etc. Not exactly fair chase. Thermo scopes, silencers, electronics of all kinds. Most aren’t capable of field dressing their own kill.
White Buffalo, yea it was a menu item from some game farm.

Perhaps that is your experience in Ohio. It is not mine in Montana or Idaho. Thermoscopes, silencers and electronic communication between hunters is all illegal here.

 

[rwsmith]

I COULD NOT, WOULD NOT, ON A BOAT.
I WILL NOT, WILL NOT, WITH A GOAT
I WILL NOT KILL THEM IN THE RAIN.
NOT IN THE DARK! NOT IN A TREE!
NOT IN A CAR! YOU LET ME BE!
I DO NOT KILL THEM IN A BOX.
I DO NOT KILL THEM WITH A FOX.
I WILL NOT KILL THEM IN A HOUSE.
I DO NOT KILL THEM WITH A MOUSE.
I DO NOT KILL THEM HERE OR THERE.
I WONT DO IT FOR A SHOW!
I DO NOT KILL WHITE BUFFALO
I DO NOT KILL THEM, SAM. OFF-I-GO!

Just my personal feelings. Hunters have the right to hunt. But I wouldn't want to kill a rare creature like a white buffalo. Honestly, I never was big on hunting and I just don't do it anymore. If necessary, yes. And I may make an exception for wild hogs,
though.

 

[Bo Rich]

Thanks again for all the replies. After a good nights sleep. When I woke up I felt better. What I watched on the Ted Nugent show. Was, after all not a true White Buffalo. Instead it was an inposter that was half white cow, half buffalo. Breed to be killed for a profit. I may not care for this, but at least it wasn't the sacred animal that I thought it was.

 

[Rule3]

Thanks again for all the replies. After a good nights sleep. When I woke up I felt better. What I watched on the Ted Nugent show. Was, after all not a true White Buffalo. Instead it was an inposter that was half white cow, half buffalo. Breed to be killed for a profit. I may not care for this, but at least it wasn't the sacred animal that I thought it was.

As I had mentioned, there was more to the story than initially described

 

[Drm50]

I hunt exclusively eastern woodlands. You can set a 10yr old on a stump by game trail and if he stays quiet he will shot a deer. That ain’t a hunt, it’s a shoot. It breaks me up to see a hunting program where some bullet head fat guy is talking about booking his next hunt. He wants to do some kind of grand slam killing a buck in X number of states. In other words pays to have his butt hauled to a stand that has been pre scouted by “guide”. I know a lot of guys that don’t have the money for that kind of service but it takes little effort to bushwhack deer from a stand.
This is no joke I know a guy who leased some property for hunting rights. A state highway runs in front of it. 100yds from highway field breaks into wooded hollows. Thick briars and weeds for first 50yds. Guy has enclosed tree stand with all the conveniences of home. When he gets in the mood he rings up and has pizza delivered to his stand.He only shoots bucks and gets nice one every year with 16g slug. He keeps his shots to 30yds.

 

[cballman]

Well after doing research on this a few years ago I will tell you a story. When the hunters go on a safari in Africa Yes they pay big bucks. Most times the animals are older one. When they are shot MOST times the meat will go to the local village to feed them. The hunter gets to shoot an animal and the village gets the food AND a little bit of the money the hunter spent. Nothing on the animal will go to waste. So it really does help their economy. That is why it is expensive so not just anyone can do it.