Thieves. I hate thieves!

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I ordered a couple of stuff sacks on eBay. $15 for the pair.

I get UPS tracking and an ETA of 10/10, yesterday. I checked it again this past Saturday and still the ETA of 10/10.

Sunday rolls around and I'm in and out all day long.

Monday, no mail. But I notice that my mail box was slightly open...

Tuesday I get a couple of packages, but no pouches. I check tracking and it says delivered on SUNDAY on the porch(!). Never happened. I'm guessing, the delivery guy stuffed it in the mailbox and someone took it and didn't close it all the way.

I try the file a claim and UPS says I can't because USPS did the final delivery(!)

I'm guessing the drugged out zombies in the area did some shopping in mailboxes and cars.

(sigh)
 
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Nevada Ed said:
If caught;

they can do 5 years in a Federal pen or have to pay, a $250,000 fine.

Get er done !!
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Possible, yes. Likely? Not even remotely.

I seriously doubt that a US Postal Inspector would spend the time to mount an investigation, and the US Attorney's Office would laugh at the idea of committing the staff time to prosecute such a case.

With a couple of credible eye-witnesses, positive identification of the perpetrator(s), a bored municipal court prosecutor might be persuaded to file a petit theft complaint, and a tearful spontaneous confession in the courtroom might result in a referral to a diversion program and a short term of unsupervised probation. All of that is conditional on your local police department bothering to respond to a minor theft complaint and actually complete a simple report, not something to be taken for granted these days.

As long as serious consequences are removed from the equation people will continue committing criminal acts. When getting caught involves nothing more than participation in the catch-and-release program, why worry?
 
A doorbell camera and several regular mounted cameras are what I recently purchased due to what the OP posted.

Since the old fashioned way of catching them is no longer working we must move to modern ways.

My mailbox is no longer on the front of the house, its on a post in front of the porch so the doorbell camera will have it and the porch in its view once I get get it mounted.

I watched sale prices on the cameras and see that the model I selected is being replaced by the next newer model so I got them for 1/3 the price they were 6 months ago and then it will be $10 a month for the cloud service to store the videos they all record.

I hope this idea might help someone else might help someone else not be a victim.
 
LoboGunLeather said:
Possible, yes. Likely? Not even remotely.

I seriously doubt that a US Postal Inspector would spend the time to mount an investigation, and the US Attorney's Office would laugh at the idea of committing the staff time to prosecute such a case.

With a couple of credible eye-witnesses, positive identification of the perpetrator(s), a bored municipal court prosecutor might be persuaded to file a petit theft complaint, and a tearful spontaneous confession in the courtroom might result in a referral to a diversion program and a short term of unsupervised probation. All of that is conditional on your local police department bothering to respond to a minor theft complaint and actually complete a simple report, not something to be taken for granted these days.

As long as serious consequences are removed from the equation people will continue committing criminal acts. When getting caught involves nothing more than participation in the catch-and-release program, why worry?
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There will be no prosecution.
 
There are soooo many different kinds of thieves, but there are also so many different kinds of neighbors watching out for each other.
 
I think some light should be shined on the delivery driver that said he put it on the porch. If he put it in mailbox, that's not on the porch. If he put it on porch there's probably a picture of it. All my delivery guys take pics. I've watched them. If it was stolen from the mailbox it's the result of someone not doing their job.
 
Bald1 said:
I think some light should be shined on the delivery driver that said he put it on the porch. If he put it in mailbox, that's not on the porch. If he put it on porch there's probably a picture of it. All my delivery guys take pics. I've watched them. If it was stolen from the mailbox it's the result of someone not doing their job.
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USPS doesn't take pictures. My previous Post Office always marked my stuff delivered the day before it actually got there. I think they were improving their metrics. I learned to like it, it was a great early warning system.
 
sigp220.45 said:
I used to work cases with a Postal Inspector and his mantra was "once its delivered, it isn't mail anymore".

I don't know if that's true or just something to get people off the phone, but it worked.
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I understand his point . They can't be responsible for your packages once they have been delivered . They no longer have any control over them .
 
I believe thieves are lower than whale waste. Especially these ones praying on senior citizens. And front porch thieves are right up there, too. So now we have to buy security cameras and then pay $10 a month for the info storage. Can't blame any LE service. It's just the way society has been for quite some time. At least if you have a face on your Ring Cam the police have SOMEthing to go on. Hopefully that footage won't be ruled inadmissible evidence.
 
My buddy sent his Model 66 to S&W for service. At the time he lived in a sketchy neighborhood. When the factory sent it back to him, it was marked "Adult signature required". Required not suggested. He came home to find it stuck halfway into his mailbox.
 
Years ago I had to return my brand new Model 29 to S&W when the rear sight sheared off the first time I took it to the range. I came home from work one day to find it laying on my porch in an unmarked box. Fortunately that was before the era of porch pirates.
 
Maybe some of the fault is on me.

I live in a bad neighborhood. I checked tracking Saturday night and figured Tuesday was the delivrey day. I had no idea USPS worked on Sunday! If had known, I would've checked tracking on Sunday. I assumed Monday Columbus Day is a mail/bank holiday, so I don't check.

UPS drops their stuff on the porch, FedEx drops it on the porch. AND they ring the doorbell. The mail man will ring the bell IF he drops it on the porch.

Nah, this guy just stuffed in the mailbox and drove off and claimed it was on the porch.

I'm glad I learned my lesson - check tracking - on a $15 package rather than something more valuable!
 
If it's taken.......

sigp220.45 said:
I used to work cases with a Postal Inspector and his mantra was "once its delivered, it isn't mail anymore".

I don't know if that's true or just something to get people off the phone, but it worked.
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...OUT OF A MAILBOX it sure is still mail. That won't change anybody's attitude, though.
 
ACORN said:
My buddy sent his Model 66 to S&W for service. At the time he lived in a sketchy neighborhood. When the factory sent it back to him, it was marked "Adult signature required". Required not suggested. He came home to find it stuck halfway into his mailbox.
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That happened to my wife a few years ago on the return of her pistol from the manufacture for a warranty fix. Not USPS, but it showed up one day by the downstairs door next to the carport.

It would not have been hurt by weather but it did state Adult Sig required. No one was home so it obviously was not signed for. If I remember correctly the driver took a picture of the box by the door. I do not see how that beats the Sig required part of the equation!

Fortunately we live about 1/4 mile uphill off the road, house is not visible.
 
glenwolde said:
USPS doesn't take pictures. My previous Post Office always marked my stuff delivered the day before it actually got there. I think they were improving their metrics. I learned to like it, it was a great early warning system.
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I was going to say, don't be surprised if it doesn't show up in a few days. I've gotten "delivered" notices two or three days before it actually showed up.
 
I've ALWAYS despised thieves. When I served as a Police Officer (before this defund nonsense) I responded to a shoplifter call at he mall. An older adolescent adult (from a city about 70 miles away) stole something from a store and when the sales clerk told him to put it back he refused.

Mall Security detained him and when I contacted him he acted like it was some kind of joke. He had enough money on him to pay for the merchandise and there was a group of his friends waiting in the mall area for him to be released. I handcuffed him and walked him past his friends outside to my patrol car. He was embarrassed and couldn't believe this was happening to him. I booked him in Jail and I never saw him again.

Another time I responded to a shoplift call at a grocery store. The thief, in his 30's was from a city about 160 miles away. It was routine to cite & release shoplifters and I was ready to do so. I told him I did not want him to steal from anyone in the town I policed and he said he would not steal from the store we were in. I repeated myself and he responded with the same answer. To his dismay, I handcuffed him and booked him into Jail. The whole time we were en route he kept asking me if the Judge knew what I was doing. (I had patrolled the area he was from years earlier and their Judges were definitely more liberal than the local Judges I served under.)

An arrogant thief is even worse than a common thief.
 
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Thank God I live in a safe and secure neighborhood, dead end road. Low life's don't dare go down a dead end road. Someone is always home across the end of the road( no court to turn around in) as next door.
There are several " ways" to fix porch pirates. Expensive but sure to get their attention is a mechanical Burglar Bomb in a taped up box with labels on. I guarantee that when the scum bag gets the box in their car and opens it they will leave their car for a day or more. Better if they take it home and open it in their house. Then there's the box of fresh dog doo which a friend used years ago. Did I mention I despise thieves?
 
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