This guy thinks 9mm IS big enough for self defense!

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The 9MM 115 gr. JHP launched at 1300 fps has proven to do a very credible job of stopping BGs. If any of us could put that many rounds into the perp that quickly I think he'd develope a terminal case of ventilation!
 
Alas, yes... we have become a society of shooters which measures success in the number of bullets we can place into a bad guy - rather than emphasizing the ease of ending it all with an accurate shot from the neanderthal .45acp. Guns sell, today, based upon magazine capacity and the number of contraptions one can hang off it.

Thank you, but, I am old; carried a Commander for +35 years; and have to pee a lot. My intent is to simply kill the bad guy with shot one or a double tap... and then go pee. I have no time for gunfights or go-zillion round magazines.

This is not to say 9mm won't get the job done, as it seems to be working quite well in every city neighborhood and all over the world. Gang bangers and drug runners love it just as much as LEO's and others.
 
Thank you, but, I am old; carried a Commander for +35 years; and have to pee a lot. My intent is to simply kill the bad guy with shot one or a double tap... and then go pee. I have no time for gunfights or go-zillion round magazines.

LOL!!! :D

But remember when the zombies attack, or if you are faced with maybe three BG's coming at you, multiple shots may be required. ;)

This guy I don't think will have a problem taking on multiple BG's. He even swapped in a new mag just to show he is ready for the next 17 shots....
 
Too many flaws there in my opinion.

He best not be standing there in the open focused on one target. Bad guys have friends too.

He is shooting at a target that is not shooting back or having posed any threat that would bring the stress level up.

While proficient with the 9mm, he also trades a lot of accuracy for capacity. Anyone can make rapid shots when relaxed and practiced with the gun being used.

The popularity of the 9mm was due to capacity. One round of a 12 ga shotgun with 00 Buck will do the same thing more effectively.

If he could afford a .45 and got that proficient, then he would not have to shoot that many times to neutralize his target. Should he have cut loose on a person firing that many shots, he would be in jail facing charges. A person does what they train for. Him emptying the mag would not sit well with a District Attorney. I had a case in 1971 where a young lady was being abused and she shot her husband three times. The first two was justified but the DA and the Judge felt the third was overkill since there was no longer a threat. She got five years in a ladies prison.
 
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I watched a USPSA Grand Master draw and engage 5 targets in under 4 seconds, which is a great shooting demonstration. But he is also a working LE, and he'll be the first to tell you it is impossible to identify and verify real people that quickly without great risk of shooting the wrong person. And he won't stand flatfooted in the open and draw against five men.
 
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Too many flaws there in my opinion.

He best not be standing there in the open focused on one target. Bad guys have friends too.

He is shooting at a target that is not shooting back or having posed any threat that would bring the stress level up.

While proficient with the 9mm, he also trades a lot of accuracy for capacity. Anyone can make rapid shots when relaxed and practiced with the gun being used.

The popularity of the 9mm was due to capacity. One round of a 12 ga shotgun with 00 Buck will do the same thing more effectively.

If he could afford a .45 and got that proficient, then he would not have to shoot that many times to neutralize his target. Should he have cut loose on a person firing that many shots, he would be in jail facing charges. A person does what they train for. Him emptying the mag would not sit well with a District Attorney. I had a case in 1971 where a young lady was being abused and she shot her husband three times. The first two was justified but the DA and the Judge felt the third was overkill since there was no longer a threat. She got five years in a ladies prison.

I'm not going to bother commenting on the inaccurate statements in this post however gun laws changed over the course of 40 years. You can shoot someone 10 times and they can still pose a threat if they are still coming for you. In fact, there was a story of a LEO with a Glock .45 (forgot which model) that shot a man about 10-12 times with is .45 until the last shot was fired into the mans head, killing him. Both .45s and 9mm penetrate skin and bone, both are more than enough for SD. Only thing is that a 9mm offer more ammo than a .45. Its better to have it and not need it.
 
Another reason why I carry a .38 Special revolver.....

No court can accuse me of carrying a "hi cap" pistol shooting a "hand cannon" round. I carry a gun with a 6 round capacity in a caliber used by police officers for over 100 years.

I have been shooting revolvers for over 15 years now, and got pretty good with them. Give me my GP100 cut for full moonclips and I feel I can defend myself pretty well.

Lots of people carry 9mm's with 20 round mags, but would have trouble hitting the ground with it in a real life scenario. Launching a bunch of rounds in a self defense scenario is a bad idea, especially when there are innocent bystanders.

IMO the 9mm is a great round. My wheelguns far outnumber my autoloaders, but the majority of the pistols I own are 9mm's.
 
I think a lot of the guys who carry a 9mm with a 16 round mag plus multiple spare mags watch to many movies. I have no reason to engage in a prolonged gun battle. My way of thinking is that I can do something that LEOs can't, RUN! Besides, a high capacity 9mm is so bulky. I'll stick with my single stack. I feel confidant that 8 rounds will get me out of most situations. If that's not enough, I probably need more than a handgun.
 
I'm not going to bother commenting on the inaccurate statements in this post however gun laws changed over the course of 40 years. You can shoot someone 10 times and they can still pose a threat if they are still coming for you. In fact, there was a story of a LEO with a Glock .45 (forgot which model) that shot a man about 10-12 times with is .45 until the last shot was fired into the mans head, killing him. Both .45s and 9mm penetrate skin and bone, both are more than enough for SD. Only thing is that a 9mm offer more ammo than a .45. Its better to have it and not need it.

Marcus, I am sure you feel yourself correct. My question to you is are you courts testifying in criminal cases almost every week? How often do you work for weeks with both defense and prosecution attorneys? How many hours daily do you spend going over the law books? How many jury selections have you sat through?

My life is just filled with the aforementioned things. and not just in one state but four. There are plenty of jailhouse lawyers saying people cannot be sent to jail for something as they sit next to that person. Others say the law allows for certain things and it does not.

I have had homicide cases that could not be lost but they were. I have had defense cases that was all but a done deal, even with the accused paying an attorney tens of thousands of dollars and then they still go to prison.

Go on and put ten rounds in someone. You will have a difficult time convencing a jury that you had to fire that many rounds. You will have a hard time following a medical doctor testifying that a person hit multiple times is still a major threat. This all assumes you got past the wrong place, wrong time, "who slapped John" and other situations that puts people in jails.

We have a petite lady locally that was being beat by a large 17 yr old "youth." She pulled a paring knife and stabbed him once. That lady sits in jail right now waiting someone to go her bond for stabbing someone that was on top of her, in public, during a beatdown. She cannot afford to make bail, much less hire a defense attorney.

Unless a person has been there, they will never understand what I am speaking of. I can only hope they never find themselves using the force they are prepared to use while thinking it is legal. There is no blanket laws that allows for everything to be legal.
 
Geeze, tough crowd. This is just a demo of a good shot holding target while rapid firing, and doing a very nice job. Kinda' like watching Jerry Miculek...enjoy it and move on. All the "real life" yadayada doesn't apply.

Bob
 
Geeze, tough crowd. This is just a demo of a good shot holding target while rapid firing, and doing a very nice job. Kinda' like watching Jerry Miculek...enjoy it and move on. All the "real life" yadayada doesn't apply.

Bob

Bob, I admit the video was done for entertainment but it also implies self defense, which can be done with any type weapon or caliber of gun. There is a lot of difference in making a video and faced with real life. As today's national news showed, people emulate what they see in movies, videos or tv shows. That emulation gets people in trouble.
 
Geeze, tough crowd. This is just a demo of a good shot holding target while rapid firing, and doing a very nice job. Kinda' like watching Jerry Miculek...enjoy it and move on. All the "real life" yadayada doesn't apply.

Bob

Excellent point though I think a lot of people are too philosophical and judgemental to enjoy any display for what it is. Also I'd just like to add IMO in any defense situation reguardless of legalities the first objective is stopping the threat. No matter how many hits a perp has taken if he is armed and has movement he still poses a major threat. I'd much rather have to explain why my actions were neccessary to preserve my life than to have someone deliver my ulogy.
 
I enjoyed the video, the guy can shoot. As far as speculating about how is skills would hold up in a real world confrontation, well, clearly opinions vary but I like his chances. My first gun was a 639 with 8 an round mag and I never felt more rounds were needed. The next 9mm was the MP9c and I deliberately ordered it with the ten round mags. Two reasons, one I still feel ten is plenty and two I spend a fair amount of time back in California where ten is all they allow and I like to be legal (call me old fashioned). YMMV
 
I had a pretty fun time with a pack of half a dozen pit bulls a few years back. Lucky for me I had taken only about two or three steps from my car. If I had just been walking through that parking lot it would have been a much different lucky to still be alive story. I didn’t carry back then but I have had my 637 since before then. If it had been the difference of five fast well placed shots or 17, you better believe I would have preferred 17. More like the 10 from a Baby Glock or similar realistically. So if you are happy with five or six then that’s great. But I will never see why people excoriate each other over the choice of a single or double stack nine or forty. I don’t get why we would rip anyone for any gun ownership. That’s just gun owner on gun owner violence…:rolleyes:
 
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