This guy thinks 9mm IS big enough for self defense!

If the military is getting pretty good results with 62 grain bullets, why can't a 115 or 124 grain bullet give good results if driven fast enough. Most folks who tout the .38 Special wouldn't carry a load less than +P, and I wouldn't carry one less than +P in 9mm either. It's the cheapest center fire pistol cartridge to train with, and the most common among armed services around the world. Do you remember how hard it was to find .380 last year? That will never happen with 9mm.
 
also, the talk about fighting 5 dudes by yourself is pretty ridiculous anyway. Im sure somebody out there can do it but must of us, if faced with this situation, should consider running our asses off, hopefully getting some standoff behind some sort of hard cover, shot a few rounds and then run our asses off again.

I've fought "5 dudes" before. They had AK47s and I had about 15 of my closest friends with me ;) it still takes some maneuvering to win that fight.
 
You are all right! Carry what makes YOU comfortable... practice a lot....pray the BG misses with his first shot (none of us shoot first...right?) The rest doesn't matter... I don't want the guy in the video next to me shooting what I think he should have.. I want him shooting THAT gun.
 
Beginners discuss the perfect calliber

Amateurs discuss the perfect gun

Pros discuss tactics and awareness

I watched a USPSA Grand Master draw and engage 5 targets in under 4 seconds, which is a great shooting demonstration. But he is also a working LE, and he'll be the first to tell you it is impossible to identify and verify real people that quickly without great risk of shooting the wrong person. And he won't stand flatfooted in the open and draw against five men.


Words to live by, hope you don't mind if I add it to my book of quote's.
 
i carry 9mm daily, its a real hot , fast round, and in HPJ it expands to the size of a .45 ball.......i think .45 ball is good enough for self defense therefore , 9mm is too.....i can hit a quarter at 10 yards. most self defense scenarios happen 5-8 feet lol........yep 9mm to the head, throat or center mass will do her just fine :-D
 
Here's a twist guys. Our local SWAT teams swear by the .357 Sig. Depending on where I am, and when, determines what I carry. Compact 9 (Spear Gold Dots)=Town Night Out Against Crime, there's alot of LEO's in attendance. Homie ville, 16+1 .40
 
great shooting... I feel good with 380 upto a 45.
1. shot placement (center mass, T zone)
2. speed (slow is smooth, smooth is fast)
3. then, and only then, do we talk about caliber.
 
Of great concern to me of late has been the introduction of FA weapons and body armor to the fight by terrorist types. I find myself practicing more head shots than I used to and arthritis is forcing me to the 9 rather than my beloved 45. For the young man in video; good for you. You have great skills and will fair better than the average citizen. My guess is anyone who has developed that competence has pretty good tactical skills as well; just showing off a little for the camera.
 
Gentlemen, I have read through this thread and found it quite informative and entertaining, and thought provoking.

What is disturbing me, is the premise that while we all carry for self defense, many of the respondents are advocating multiple hits and head shots. Only the respondent immediately before me made a case for head shots, due to the rise of terrorists with full auto and body armor.

Yes, shot placement is critical in stopping an armed threat. But (hopefully) we all acknowledge the likelihood that we face the prospect of prosecution for exercising our right to self defense where we must justify our use of lethal force. Would not a high round count weaken a contention of self defense! I would think that a (grand) jury could accept a few well placed rounds as self defense, and an excessive number of rounds eroding the plea of self defense and pushing the envelope towards murder.

I also understand the logic behind firing until the threat is neutralized. I would also believe that if an assailant "absorbed" 2-3 well placed center of mass shots that a head shot would be justified on the presumption that the assailant is wearing body armor. Is there not a concern amongst the forum members that emptying a high capacity magazine in order to stop AN assailant would weaken any contention of self defense?

I acknowledge that those of us that carry, carry what we are most comfortable with and the most proficient with. While one particular round and arm may possess the best threat neutralizing characteristics, that is not necessarily the best self defense choice for many of us. Sadly, I think that with the climate change, that we have to anticipate a higher degree of accountability when we fire defensively, and we need to anticipate an increase in the number of assailants that we may be engaging in an ever changing self defense scenario!
 
I don't view the issue as, 'is the 9mm enough?' because the truth is; of course it's enough. History proves it's enough.

However, the 9mm is considered to be the minimum caliber for self-defense. The question for me isn't, is the 9mm enough, it's rather, am I comfortable carrying the minimum? For me it's no, I would prefer to have .357sig if I'm going to be shooting a 9mm sized slug, or .45acp, or 10mm.

Now, if anyone disagrees and wants to carry 9mm; I'm completely OK with that; I like the good guys and girls carrying and I'm thankful to live in a place where we have so many choices!
 
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I've watched this kids YouTube channel quite a bit (cute little girlfriend too). He shoots a lot and is good with about anything he picks up. He's no Jerry Miculek but he can handle himself.
 
Funny that this video would prompt such a discussion. I suspect he just made the Youtube video for the heck of it and the view counter. Odd that he does not capitalize on the real reason people tune into his channel...

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC3RZGLqoj4[/ame]

Kirsti = 100K plus views versus just him. Hey, at least it is a video of them shooting the Shield. :D
 
I think the question is being asked wrong .. its not whether the 9mm is a big enough round for self defense but rather am I carrying the right 9mm round for my weapon to stop the threat !!
 

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