hangnoose
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9MM?
The caliber is plenty. The real question, is the person using it?
The caliber is plenty. The real question, is the person using it?
This guy thinks 9mm IS big enough for self defense!
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dwever
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Going back to my days with the Florida ANG after the active AF, I have loved the .45 particularly on a 1911 platform. Thing is, since ca. 2007, there is no longer any appreciable difference between the stopping power of a .45 and 9mm with certain 9mm loads such as Federal HST, - but I continue to enjoy the .45 chest beating and the cute posts about why would you shoot somebody twice when one .45 will do.
Anyway, an FBI comparison is below - the full study has been duplicated, is very revealing, and readily available on line. And, there are numerous articles in the LEO publications about the migration back to 9mm among LE agencies.
To digress to platforms for a second, I stopped carrying the 1911 in 2014 as even with a a Wilson Combat .45 CQB Elite and WC 9mm X-Tac, they would eventually but not often malfunction, and WC would blame inconsistencies with the factory ammo or lack of lube, and make statements about the tight tolerances it takes to produce a weapon that shoots 1" groups at 25 yards. So I went back to a 627 carry (or 586+ IWB) with about the same capacity as a 1911. My introduction to Glocks occurred years ago via the agency I serve, and while ugly and soul-less, I was shocked these sub $500 weapons were more reliable than my high-maiteneance $3,000 WC 1911's. An inconvenient truth you can't post on a 1911 forum or they freak out. Looking forward to an S&W PC 929 for carry that looks maybe like a 2.625" barreled 627 UDR (top of 3rd picture). Peace
Anyway, an FBI comparison is below - the full study has been duplicated, is very revealing, and readily available on line. And, there are numerous articles in the LEO publications about the migration back to 9mm among LE agencies.
To digress to platforms for a second, I stopped carrying the 1911 in 2014 as even with a a Wilson Combat .45 CQB Elite and WC 9mm X-Tac, they would eventually but not often malfunction, and WC would blame inconsistencies with the factory ammo or lack of lube, and make statements about the tight tolerances it takes to produce a weapon that shoots 1" groups at 25 yards. So I went back to a 627 carry (or 586+ IWB) with about the same capacity as a 1911. My introduction to Glocks occurred years ago via the agency I serve, and while ugly and soul-less, I was shocked these sub $500 weapons were more reliable than my high-maiteneance $3,000 WC 1911's. An inconvenient truth you can't post on a 1911 forum or they freak out. Looking forward to an S&W PC 929 for carry that looks maybe like a 2.625" barreled 627 UDR (top of 3rd picture). Peace
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05CarbonDRZ
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Those where bunny fart reloads.
If I was a BG and watched a gang member riddled like that and see the shooter add a new clip.....................
I think I would be headed out of Dodge City...........
but then there are those that we also say to them.................
"Here's your sign".
I think I would be headed out of Dodge City...........
but then there are those that we also say to them.................
"Here's your sign".
dwever
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There were no 'clips' in that video.
Mainsail
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I look at that chart and wonder if the test was rigged. They have the .357sig at over 1000fps slower than its standard loading. The .357sig is supposed to load a 125gr HP at 1450fps, not that anemic 1319fps. I can't find any loading from any of the 'police' ammos with that low of a velocity
Both the .40 and .45 velocities are approximately in line with LE and self-defense loadings.
Something is amiss in that chart; either the data is very old or they selected rounds to ensure its outcome.
Wow, this is an old post of mine.... I can't believe how many guns I've bought since then! ��
I've been carrying a Shield or a 3913 pretty regularly. Sometimes a 642 in the summer. I don't feel underpowered but I haven't been in a gunfight either!
Lately I've been seeing groups of attackers jumping people. Like the 'knockout game'. I'm afraid I may be facing three or four thugs. And yeah, one shot may scare them all off, but on the other hand 3 shots may just wound one guy and the rest want to pounce.
I'm thinking of carrying a spare mag.
I've been carrying a Shield or a 3913 pretty regularly. Sometimes a 642 in the summer. I don't feel underpowered but I haven't been in a gunfight either!
Lately I've been seeing groups of attackers jumping people. Like the 'knockout game'. I'm afraid I may be facing three or four thugs. And yeah, one shot may scare them all off, but on the other hand 3 shots may just wound one guy and the rest want to pounce.
I'm thinking of carrying a spare mag.
Shorty 45 MK2
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I see your video and raise you one. 
[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B2_kHtCKEwQ[/ame]
[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B2_kHtCKEwQ[/ame]
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Speer Gold Dots and Winchester Ranger .357 Sig are rated at 1350 fps by their manufacturers. Hornady's are rated at ~1225 fps.
It's not like adding 100 fps is going to make a dramatic improvement.
Mainsail
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Grayfox
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Whitwabit
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357 Sig Hornady Critical Duty 135gr. FlexLock HP Ammo ..
Muzzle Energy 450
Muzzle Velocity 1225
Mainsail
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450? I won't be buying that ammo!
I have several boxes of Sig's V-crown 125gr at 1356fps for 511 ft/pounds at the muzzle.
Right now I'm loaded with Georgia Arms 125gr at 1400fps.
scattershot
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LOL!!!
But remember when the zombies attack, or if you are faced with maybe three BG's coming at you, multiple shots may be required
That just means that you have four rounds left for your next gunfight...
Magload
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Use what you are capable of shoot well even a 22 Mag on a soft target is better then a large bullet passing by it. Don
Reggie Dunlop
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Fantastic topic! Wonder why this subject has not been posted before?
