This red dot or this scope....both on the way!!

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Hi Guys,

Help me pick between this two optics. The first one is a Truglo: TRUGLO Dual Color Red-Dot Sight - Dick's Sporting Goods Was $32 dollars out the door! (had lots of coupons!!)

OR this scope: Amazon.com: UTG 3-9x32 Compact CQB Bug Buster AO RGB Scope with Med. Picatinny Rings, 2" Sunshade: Sports & Outdoors This one costs what it says.

I will mostly target shoot up to about 50 yards. Both have similar reviews. (4 stars) I have used scopes before, but never had used a red dot. They both look cool imho. I know I can get a magnifier for the Truglo.

So, if you had both of them are on the way, which one would you guys pick and a little reason why would be great too.:)

The UTG scope was on back ordered when I went to place the order, so I thought I had cancelled it in time and then ordered the Truglo. Well, I got a message today that said the UTG scope shipped also! :o

Thanks for your thoughts!
 
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50 yards? I would do red dot. No need, IMHO, for a scope at a mere 50 yards. The red dot makes for faster acquisition at a closer range like that.

And, as you said, IF you wanted to shoot out further you could add a magnifier.

I tend to lean towards modular multipurpose setups. A scope is near impossible to use in a tactical driver close quarters situation, but is great for shooting further out. Whereas a red dot can handle close quarters and with a magnifier, which you can flip to the side or twist off and remove, it can match some uses for the scope. In the latter scenario, you can get the best of both worlds to a degree. In the former, your a bit limited.
 
The UTG works nicely at 50y. I would not go too far inside of that though. I have been using mine back and forth from 50 to 100 yards and having quite a bit of fun.
It doesnt sound like the OP is doing alot of rapid target acquisition stuff. I shoot 2" steel targets and barely miss now.
 
I purchased this scope from Dick's Sporting Goods and 'sighted' it in for 200 yds:
CenterPoint Rimfire 3-9x32 Mil-Dot Reticle Rifle Scope - Dick's Sporting Goods

When I say 'sighted' in... we have a 12" steel gong @ 200yds. Have yet to actually zero it in at that range. ( if that's possible with cheapo bulk ammo )

I then put this doodad on for the red-dot:
GG&G 45 DEGREE OFFSET MOUNT [GGG1526] - $21.82 : Lanbo's Armory, Firearm Accessories and Tactical Gear

With this red-dot: TRUGLO 1x30 Red Dot Scope - Dick's Sporting Goods

A little twist to the side and you have the red-dot.
 
If you are precision shooting at paper get a magnified optic with crosshairs. There's not much advantage in "fast target acquisition" at a stationary piece of paper in front of you while siting at bench with a bipod. However, if you are shooting off hand and bouncing around soda cans, shotgun shells and other debris then a 1x red dot with unlimited field of view is handy.

At this range, a 1x red dot is the way to go.





If you are trying to achieve this, then a magnified optic with crosshairs is the way to go.

 
Yeah, maybe he needs to define a little more than "target shoot up to about 50 yards". No doubt "precision" will be seen with the scope, "hits" can be achieved with the red dot; this is why there is that good go between of a red dot w/ magnifier in and under that 50.
 
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Thanks for the responses guys. I will do most of my shooting around home where I have around 50 yards or so to shoot. I will be shooting paper targets, steel targets and some cans...etc. My 10/22 has a bigger scope on it, but I was thinking I may try something different, and cool :D, on the MP 15-22. I do have some critters around here at times. I like right in the woods basically so I wouldn't really have many times where I could shoot further than 50 yards. I did like the looks and features of the UTG, but then I read up on the red dots and they sound pretty cool too. I would have like to have gotten red dot with a magnification, but I am quickly realizing that I can really drop some $$ on this cool rifle so I was trying to slow it down a little!:p I picked the Truglo red dot cause I had $30 in discounts at Dicks. Then I read about the Bushnell TRS-25 and have been slapping my forehead a little bit! :confused:
 
What ever you choose, Ive learned to stay far away from Amazon.
It might just be me? But in the 2 times Ive used them, within a week my credit card got hacked and purchases were made by someone else.
My CC company made good on them and credited my account, luckily because one purchase was for $3000+ for plane tickets.
The other was much smaller for $500 ATM with drawls from Kansas.
Coincidence that the hack was right after an Amazon purchase, I dont think so.
Also,If your going to order anything on line, use a credit card not a debit/credit card/bank card.
Monitor your accounts daily. If you notice a charge you did not make, the CC company will usually reimburse you within a day.Your bank card, debit/credit might take up to 30 days as they do an investigation into your claim. meaning, you loose that money until they decide to give it back to you.
Just my experiences in CC, ID theft that has happened to me.
Your experience might be different. Public service announcement is now over, carry on.
 
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Agree with ChattanoogaPhil. I have the Primary Arms 1-4 coming. Pretty anxious as it works similar to a dot sight at 1 and cross hair scope at 4. I've been shooting exclusively with irons and red dots until now. Can't wait to reach out farther with the cross hairs.
 
When it comes to 1-4x or 1-6x scopes you tend to get what you pay for. The really good, reliable, tough ones with the snappy turrets, wide field, and bright view generally cost at least $500-$2000 and in the world of 3-gun they are worth every penny. On a .22 you can often get away with ones in the $80-$150 range. But when they make it look too tactical you will often find they tend to be unreliable because they tend to hide cheapy designs under good looks. 2 that I use on both ARs and 15-22s is the Firefield (Sightmark) 1-6x24 FFP about the only one under $500 with a first focal plane reticle. Goes for about $170 w/30mm rings. The other is the Aim Sport 1.5-4x30 Mil-Dot. It comes with their nice PEPR clone cantilever mount for about $120. This one has some of the brightest illuminated red/green crosshairs I have seen on the low end of the price scale.
If I could afford a Vortex Razor HD II 1-6x24 on my 3-gun I would get one in a heartbeat. I got a chance to look thru one at my last 3-gun match and I could not stop drooling. But a list price of $1899 is currently out of reach. Heck that is more than my Stag 3-gun cost to build. Maybe sell a camera lens or two.
 
OK, lets be 'real' here, we're talking about a .22....that might be accurate out to 100 yards...without wind blowing.

In addition: STAR Ratings are worthless unless they come from a group of reliable experienced sources, not a bunch of 'first-time' scope buyers.

Most people here do not compete at a level that will earn them money....thus spending over $300 is rather pointless (and for many even that is too much). About the best scope at that price is the Burris Tac30 1-4, and maybe a couple others (that I am currently unaware of).

Can you get by with less?...sure you can depending on your reason for attaching a scope in the first place. If you plan to hunt you'll need to spend a little more to ensure quality glass and a reliable reticle that you can use effectively. If you plan to do Tactical .22 matches then all you need is something like a Millet 1-4.

I had an Aim Sport 1-4 and wouldn't waste my money if I were you, it's cheaply made and should only be considered if you plan to use it as a bridge to a better scope later.....and even then I would buy the Millet 1-4 before the Aim Sport for a little more $$$. A Millet could be all you'll ever need.

What I like about the Burris Tac 30 is the BDC reticle that comes in handy when shooting out to 100 yards....or more. I've used that feature to engage the 100 yard targets at our Tactical .22 matches and it's a nice option to have. I got my Tac 30 through ebay from Primary Arms, with the cantilever mount, delivered, for $299. It's sturdy enough that if I needed to I could mount it on my AR15s.

In short, BUY ONCE CRY ONCE! Don't be afraid to buy a nice scope the first time (I know I'm too late to help you, but others may benefit from this advice), it may hurt your wallet, but it will only do so 1 time. Take it from someone that has spent a lot of money on optics before learning this lesson. ;)
 
ChattanoogaPhil said:
I've read lots of good reports it.
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I own 2 PA sights + QD bases - never had an issue. LOTS of reviews on AR15.com as well that vouch for quality. Their real issue is keeping stock. Because of their stock issues, I am trying the TRS-25 on this 15-22 or I would have had a 3rd PA optic.

ChattanoogaPhil said:
Primary Arms seems to have hit the budget optics sweet spot with their products in price, performance and reliability.
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And this one appears to have a mini-rail on top and side for say a reflex sight for CQC and quick fast acquisition at closer objects.

Just went and checked it out at PA to read up on it.. oh shock, out of stock :)
 
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ChattanoogaPhil said:
I've read lots of good reports it.

Primary Arms seems to have hit the budget optics sweet spot with their products in price, performance and reliability.
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As long as you only put it on a .22 the PA is fine. I agree that for serious AR shooting the Burris Tac 30 and the Millet DMS-1 are at the bottom price point of the good stuff. The ones I currently use are reasonable .22 models acting as bridge scopes to the really good ones. In fact after thinking it all thru and finding out I can get the Vortex Razor HD II 1-6x24 for $500 off list from Optics Planet I have decided to pool my resources and order one. 3 out of 5 firearms I have on consignment at a local gun dealer sold in the last 3 days so most of the funds I need have been freed up. When it comes to 3-gun, straying very far from Swarovski, Leopold, Vortex, and a couple of others in the low power zoom scope realm can get you frustrated at times. Its not about the cost as much as deciding whether you will compete for real or just be fooling around. I will move one of my Firefield 1-6x24s to my #1 15-22 for use as a 3-gun practice rimfire. I will mount it on one of my NcSTAR QR mounts so I can swap back to a red dot for rimfire competition.
 
photoracer said:
As long as you only put it on a .22 the PA is fine.
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Did you have one fail on you?

I've had my PA optics on a shotgun, a .308 bolt gun, and AK variants, and I've never had a single issue. None of these rifles were safe queens. I live and work on a ranch in Montana seasonally. If I'm there and I'm not working, I'm shooting.
 
Gopher Slayer said:
Did you have one fail on you?

I've had my PA optics on a shotgun, a .308 bolt gun, and AK variants, and I've never had a single issue. None of these rifles were safe queens. I live and work on a ranch in Montana seasonally. If I'm there and I'm not working, I'm shooting.
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Agreed, I run the PA micro dot on 2 AR's and have swapped it to a shotgun - zero issues.

The PA sights are pretty solid and proven, as are the bases, it is not a 22lr only type sight. Not at all.
 
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