Those two triggers... Stupid Glock question.

[rwsmith]

I understand that the extra trigger piece on a Glock is a safety, but how does it work? Obviously, the trigger can't be pulled until the safety trigger is pulled first. I don't understand how this makes it any safer. It seems that most anything that accidentally pulls the trigger will pull the safety with it. I was looking at Glocks, but I don't like two triggers unless I feel they are justified.

 

[A10]

It physically blocks the trigger from moving rearward unless it is depressed. They can be unintentionally depressed...

 

[Harrison]

Some poorly fit and/or designed holsters can depress the trigger of a Glock, or any other pistol, while being holstered. But generally the holster will pull on the edge of the trigger, not the center. The little tab prevents this, also the little tab has no effect on a Glock trigger pull insofar as weight of pull, break or creep etc.

 

[Autococker07]

yup look at the hinge on the small "trigger" it is just a piece of plastic that blocks the entire mechanism from moving rearward.... it can be accidentally bypassed.

Keep in mind though that the glock was designed for military use, and I believe with a significant amount of input from LE personnel. The big thing the trigger safety does is protect the user from an AD while re holstering the pistol. (such as catching on the lip of the holster, etc).

As you surmised, not much of a "safety", in a physical sense.

 

[S&WForty]

I feel the same way about the M&P elbowed trigger safety. If everything was equal between the Glocks, M&P's, and XD's, I'd get the XD with the grip safety.

After firing 100 rds through a friend's G27, the trigger safety started to get uncomfortable.

 

[Smithsrevenge]

Does the EXACT same thing as the trigger on the M&P series pistol. I hate to say it but a tad better.

M&P trigger pivots to prevent this, but if any part of the M&P trigger snags.....bang. Glock has the tab to prevent this and angled trigger sides to help deflect any snags away from said tab.

IMO.......both useless

I like my 69xx series guns. 12lb triggers and a manual safety, I can snag all I want and unless im really JAMMING the gun into the holster, shes not going pop haha

 

[Rpg]

Many AD's on holstering come from the shooter holstering the pistol with finger in the trigger guard.

A safety mechanism is no guard against fools.

 

[jkc]

Nothing new, similar to the triggers on some spear guns, simply requires a deliberate finger-on pull, vs. inadvertent pull.

 

[Mickey D]

Glock=over rated

 

[Smithsrevenge]

Glock=over rated

Glocks are GOOD guns. They are reliable as all heck, Nail driving accurate, durable as the day is long. They are good for what they were meant for. To kill. They do the job very well.

Looks? Other than some Hi-points their highly ugly :-D

Feel? Ergonomics suck *except for the gen 4's those feel alright*.

Comfortable? heck no haha.

But they are just that. a PNS...point n shoot. No external safeties, nothing to learn really. Can clean em in the dishwasher........

I do agree they get a bit too much cred however haha

 

[Cyrano]

The Iver Johnson revolvers of a certain age had exactly the same safety on their hammerless revolvers. I like Glocks a LOT, but I've found that the loose pins on the trigger safety can get it cramped to one side and jam unless you're carfful to pull the trigger straight back. Anybody else have this problem?

 

[Smithsrevenge]

The Iver Johnson revolvers of a certain age had exactly the same safety on their hammerless revolvers. I like Glocks a LOT, but I've found that the loose pins on the trigger safety can get it cramped to one side and jam unless you're carfful to pull the trigger straight back. Anybody else have this problem?

Nope. I own 15 glocks. I've owned over 30. Certified glock armorer and I've NEVER actually seen that one. Never even seen a loose pin.never taken a pin out either. That, along with the sights are one of the parts that i've never seen break.

 

[Cyrano]

Nope. I own 15 glocks. I've owned over 30. Certified glock armorer and I've NEVER actually seen that one. Never even seen a loose pin.never taken a pin out either. That, along with the sights are one of the parts that i've never seen break.

I haven't had that many: two 17s, two 19s, a 21 and a 36. The pins are fitted loosely enough so that there is some wobble in the safety; unlike the IJs which are fitted somewhat tighter and will only move straight back. Unless you're careful to pull the trigger straight back, it will cant and block the trigger movement. Yes, you should pull the trigger straight back, but that's one more thing I don't want to have to think about in a combat situation. It's a minor matter, and one of my 19s is in my bugout bag; I really think highly of the Glock, I just wish the trigger safety was fitted with less wobble.

 

[Smithsrevenge]

I haven't had that many: two 17s, two 19s, a 21 and a 36. The pins are fitted loosely enough so that there is some wobble in the safety; unlike the IJs which are fitted somewhat tighter and will only move straight back. Unless you're careful to pull the trigger straight back, it will cant and block the trigger movement. Yes, you should pull the trigger straight back, but that's one more thing I don't want to have to think about in a combat situation. It's a minor matter, and one of my 19s is in my bugout bag; I really think highly of the Glock, I just wish the trigger safety was fitted with less wobble.

Ill have to look. I have.......list to follow

19x2
20
21x2
22
23
26
27
32x2
37
38x2

Looking for a 36 but they are rare now-a-days.

I've personally never run into that issue myself, but Ill have to ask some of the GSSF guys I know if they've seen it.

I've removed one for a competitor but thats about my only experience around the trigger safety. Mainly I do deep cleans, sight adjustments and installs, and feed ramp polishing

 

[Rpg]

Glocks are GOOD guns. They are reliable as all heck, Nail driving accurate, durable as the day is long. They are good for what they were meant for. To kill. They do the job very well.

Looks? Other than some Hi-points their highly ugly :-D

Feel? Ergonomics suck *except for the gen 4's those feel alright*.

Comfortable? heck no haha.

But they are just that. a PNS...point n shoot. No external safeties, nothing to learn really. Can clean em in the dishwasher........

I do agree they get a bit too much cred however haha

Not my favorite either!

But they do tend to work.

 

[O2Guy]

Glock=over rated

I guess that's exactly why they haven't sold any of them over the years. I only wish that I had read your post before I bought mine.

 

[Cyrano]

Looking for a 36 but they are rare now-a-days.

Mainly I do deep cleans, sight adjustments and installs, and feed ramp polishing

Thanks, Smithsrevenge,

I had my 36 quite a few years, it was one of the first ones to come out. Liked it a lot, although the recoil with +P was pretty grim, and the gap between the frame and the magazine floorplate would pinch your finger. Sorta sorry I sold it; it was a nice pocket pistol.

I haven't found the need for feed ramp polishing. I'm one of those people who they say are living dangerously; I usually shoot nothing but cast bullets in my Glocks. Haven't had any problems in 9mm and 45, the only two calibers I've owned, and I've shot a lot of cast in them. My 36 shot just fine with the SAECO bullet #451, a 175 gr SWC. Never had any leading problems; I cast my bullets medium soft, and this provides obturation that prevents gas blow-by and consequent leading. That's my experience: I'd appreciate the FIRST HAND experience of others, not stuff generated by the Glock rumor mill.

 

[Andy Griffith]

I touched an Austrian pistol once.

Used grandma's lye soap afterward.

I'll stick to their revolvers...the Gasser is much more ergonomic.

 

[Smithsrevenge]

Thanks, Smithsrevenge,

I had my 36 quite a few years, it was one of the first ones to come out. Liked it a lot, although the recoil with +P was pretty grim, and the gap between the frame and the magazine floorplate would pinch your finger. Sorta sorry I sold it; it was a nice pocket pistol.

I haven't found the need for feed ramp polishing. I'm one of those people who they say are living dangerously; I usually shoot nothing but cast bullets in my Glocks. Haven't had any problems in 9mm and 45, the only two calibers I've owned, and I've shot a lot of cast in them. My 36 shot just fine with the SAECO bullet #451, a 175 gr SWC. Never had any leading problems; I cast my bullets medium soft, and this provides obturation that prevents gas blow-by and consequent leading. That's my experience: I'd appreciate the FIRST HAND experience of others, not stuff generated by the Glock rumor mill.

No cast bullets is a glock roumor. A way to deny warranty claims. I've seen hundreds of GSSF guys who reload straight lead. I've got a 1st Gen 17 from the late 80's that my uncle used in IDPA for years with lead. Close to 250,000 round count and it still downs anything thrown at it.

My ramp polishing usually goes with feed issues, Ill replace the mag springs, follower, tune up the ejector replace the ejector plunger +spring and polish the heck out of the ramp. Charge about $80 for the whole shebang and usually corrects FTF, stovepipe erratic ejection issues.

Glocks are simple work. With as little moving parts as they have and such an easy breakdown I'm surprized I get the business that I get. Usually there is a lot of trigger work. Drop in ghost rigs usually. 5.5 down to 3.2 sometimes, Lots of L.E. wanting a more "tactical" setup coming from the NY trigger system. Polish this, replace that, grind this a bit and i've gotten a 8lb NY triger down to 2.5lbs.

Then there is the guys who spend $565 for a stock 22 or 17, who then spend like $125 for a set of triji's. I always chuckle knowing they could have spent $600 and got them factory

I've beat the life out of some glocks. I've shot a 23 8 times with 230g FMJ out of my RI 1911. right along the side of the slide, I've taken a 10lb sledge to one before. Things are tanks, as long as you dont double charge a hand load, or crack the frame......they simply never die :-D

 

[Rpg]

Nothing new, similar to the triggers on some spear guns, simply requires a deliberate finger-on pull, vs. inadvertent pull.

That's the theory.

In practice, trigger safeties are involved in a lot of ADs:

They range from LEOs shooting themselves (usually in the hinder) holstering their piece on the range with their finger in the trigger guard to soon to be ex NFL receivers trying to catch their piece as it slips down their leg at a nightclub.

No safety is a guard against fools.