Thoughts on the Ammo Situation

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Magicmonger said:
Good analogy...
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really???? Water is a requirement to sustain life, ammunition is not.

This comes down to whether you believe in capitalism and supply and demand economics or not. If it truly were an item required to sustain life, like water, food or air, I could see some reason to complain. It may not be pleasant and you may think less of folks who sell at insane prices but it is their option to do so.

During these times I have been able to secure a little more than 5k rounds at an average price of $.09-.10 to my door. Almost all of it has been purchased online. I shoot 300-500 per week so I think my supply is acceptable. I have let product sit on shelves so others could buy it, even though I could have bought and I have sold to friends at my cost. That said, I have no problem with what some folks are selling product for. I know that businesses that do this won't get my business when this is over but it is well within their right to do it.
 
I have found this discussion stimulating. I would have thought this message board would have been loaded with conservatives... if not ultra conservatives. Yet, I see all these posts from folks wanting to put limits on capitalism & seeing excessive profit as a bad thing. I guess many are conservative only until it impacts their life, then they want intervention or wish to call foul.

Hey, this is fine as I see myself as a moderate. I lean more to the left on social issues but lean very far right on economic ones. I'm just surprised to have seen so many that don't fully support the good & the bad of capitalism... and greed has always been a factor in that. If someone can buy a non essential commodity, such as ammo, for .05 each and sell it for .20 each, I say God bless them. Is that greedy? I could care less. If the market can bear it... go for it. However basic economics tells us there will eventually be a market correction. I've always heard the saying "Buy low, Sell high". To me that was always a great economic model but listening here, seems others see that as greedy.

Guess I'm just getting too danged old. I just don't get it. But that is the beauty of our system... we all don't have to agree.
 
Y'all could have bought all the bulk pack .22 you wanted at $150/case last year. You didn't. You spent your money on other stuff because you figured you could stop by Walmart to buy a brick whenever you wanted. You figured wrong.

That you are running around like a chicken with its head cut off looking for ammo is not due to a moral failure of others.
 
Yep . . . way back when I thought that 'no matter what, I can always shoot .22LR if nothing else.' Opps - - - broken crystal ball. Never saw that one coming.

As a regular habit I'd pick up some 22 every once in a while when doing other tasks in town. So I'm far from tapped out. But the 22LR that several of my rifles like best is tough to find now, even at higher prices. It was never on the shelves of local stores so I had to order it. None available now.

Thankfully, I'm in good shape with the centerfire stuff though. Centerfire is where I'd focused.
 
oldnfat said:
To all the "hoarders". Would you feel the same way if water was in short supply? Your family had very little water to FILL THEIR SQUIRT GUNS and money was short. Water is expensive. Your neighbor just bought 5,000 gallons to fill his swimming pool. He found a deal at Walmart and bought all they had. Too bad for you. But, thats the free market. PISSY yet? Oh, it'll get better someday. Ooops! the federal gov't. just bought up 100,000,000,000,000 barrels of water LIKE THEY ALWAYS DO, BUT THIS TIME I"M NOT HAPPY ABOUT IT. It may take a while longer than I expected.
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Fixed it. This analogy makes more sense.



I'm ready for this **** to be over too, but the gopher slaying must go on.
 
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Nitrous SSC said:
I find it funny so many are thinking the .22LR is being compared to water for apocalypse survival and hunting.
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I think it funny for you to say that. Just shows we all have our varied opinions.

IMO, the 22lr is a great survival/hunting round. First of all it is cheap enough that I can keep well over 10,000 rounds in inventory. I'd have to drill an oil well to afford that much .223 or greater. What good is a survival round if 10-20 years down the road, you run out of ammo? Also, it is a great hunting round for food sources such as squirrels & rabbits... plus even deer in the right situation. That one round services three of my weapons... my 15-22, my Buck Mark pistol plus my CZ 455 Varmint. All 3 guns are threaded to accept my 22Sparrow suppressor, which IMO makes all 3 guns that much better for survival/hunting. Sure you can suppress larger calibers, however nothing is quieter than a suppressed 22.

Sure, I have other calibers which might be better in certain situations but if I had to pick just one... I'd choose the 22LR.
 
Majorlk said:
It's called research before you buy ...

And no, it's not almost impossible to get. There are tons of it for sale. True you may not like the price, but the ammo is out there.
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I researched the gun not the ammo situation, didn't know about it as I didn't need it.. And I refuse to buy at such inflated prices, which makes it almost impossible to buy..
 
Hey, I'm one of those hoarders you cry babies keep saying bad things about. I feel no remorse. And if some fool is willing to pay me $100 a brick for the 550s I paid $13. and change for, I'll sell. I see nothing unethical about it, its just a transaction. When or if you bid the price up high enough, almost anyone will sell. Until you're in the position of having to buy ammo, its just a value decision on your part. Would you rather go to a movie, concert, or buy a new DVD? I bet if we knew your income, we could say some pretty nasty things about how much you "make". You didn't earn that.
 
I got into shooting right before things went south. I bought a 5.56 AR, bought a .45 pistol, and then a 15-22 in that order.

I had zero stock of ammo for any caliber, but I've been able to buy PLENTY of all of it during what is arguably the worst time to do so and haven't paid excessive prices for ANY of it.

Point being, there IS ammo out there to be had and at reasonable prices. If I can buy 15K of .22 ammo over the past 6 months for 5-7 cents/round then anyone can.

Call me a hoarder, I don't care. I shoot, help people out who need ammo, don't re-sell it for profit, but most of all, I am now comfortable with my supply.

You can be too and am proof that you can.
 
Nitrous SSC said:
All the retired people of America have banded together and realized if they get all the 22 ammo off the shelf as soon as its placed there they can sell it for more because everyone else that has a job can't be at the shooting store. So they sell it to them for more. Our local classifieds people are selling it for 45-50$ a brick, its ridiculous. Eventually their pension checks will be used up and it will go back down. Every time I visit the local sporting stores there are old guys in fold out chairs waiting. Its so sad.

"free market" is a term being used by the gougers to further their personal rip off goals. However fear not. There are tight groups of active shooters that are NOT ripping each other off and helping one another out. I was able to score 2lbs of tight group simply because I'm out shooting regularly with the local events.

When the floor drops out (and it will) people will have so much .22 they won't know what to do with it. I'm seeing it already with Pmags. People loosing their asses on spending $30 a piece for them now can't get rid of them for 18$ because the market is flooded. Soon you will see P-mags on your local classifieds going for less than retail. (as long as no one else goes bonkers with an AR)

Its a stupid panic that will pass. DO NOT FEED INTO IT. If you go buy a brick of 22 for $40 punch yourself in the face. Simply wait a month or 2 and don't go shooting.
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Great post.

I am glad I had a decent stock of .223, .22, and 7.62x39. I do feel sorry for those who did not or just now bought a new firearm. As of now, I am not shooting much at all, just sitting on it for now. I believe bricks of .22 will never be under $19 again. But I will not pay $20 for 50 rounds of .22 nor will I pay $50-100 for a brick. That's stupid.

I have no problem with people buying for their own needs, but overbuying does keep this situation alive. I do hope that the gun and pawn shops that have been sending employees to buy up all the WM and Academy ammo and marking it up to stupid prices get burned when prices do drop and they have to sell for what they gave for it or less. Karma is a b****.
 
RedNeck Jim said:
I think it funny for you to say that. Just shows we all have our varied opinions.

IMO, the 22lr is a great survival/hunting round. First of all it is cheap enough that I can keep well over 10,000 rounds in inventory. I'd have to drill an oil well to afford that much .223 or greater. What good is a survival round if 10-20 years down the road, you run out of ammo? Also, it is a great hunting round for food sources such as squirrels & rabbits... plus even deer in the right situation. That one round services three of my weapons... my 15-22, my Buck Mark pistol plus my CZ 455 Varmint. All 3 guns are threaded to accept my 22Sparrow suppressor, which IMO makes all 3 guns that much better for survival/hunting. Sure you can suppress larger calibers, however nothing is quieter than a suppressed 22.

Sure, I have other calibers which might be better in certain situations but if I had to pick just one... I'd choose the 22LR.
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.223 is cheap I have 3k of wolf and it was only because at the time I was going through it quick. I picked it up for 180 per 1000. Got busy with life and haven't shot any of it and have since reloaded better/hotter stuff. I have thought about selling it and making some SERIOUS cash but I'd rather shoot it off over the next 10 years and not have to worry about heading to the store to pick up some to hit the range.
 
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