Tide has Shifted - Mags and Ammo in stock

[Gatillo]

Availability on popular ammo is spotty here on the right coast of central FL. There are basically just 2 LGS's and a Wally World I go to for my needs. I've got plenty of 22lr, 9mm, 40S&W and 12g. I'm just slowly stocking up the .223/5.56 by finding a few here and a few there. Been having some luck stopping by WW after work. I get there between 7a-8a and have picked up 120 rounds over the past couple of weeks. That's after the 3 box limit had begun. The only rounds I paid a buck+ a piece for were some Hornady defensive 5.56 LE ammo and some Winchester VarmintX stuff.

 

[$ling$hot]

called my lgs he had cci blazers 19.99 a brick, 5 brick limit, me and wife went and picked up 10 bricks. he also had a few 15-22 @469.00 this was south st. louis

I'm in St. Louis... What shop?

 

[brucev]

I was at a gun show this weekend and there were plenty of AR magazines albeit at very high prices. Likewise there was a lot of ammo but at exorbidant prices: Lake City 5.56 @ $1.34/round.

17,000 rounds of .22LR? Really?

Hum... 17K of .22 LR? Not bad. I have a church member who owns a few rifles/pistols. In a conversation before choir I mentioned that I'd been able to find and buy 7 bricks of .22LR ammo before things got crazy. He told me he had at least 20K .22 LR stored in his house. He said he'd bought most of it when bricks ran maybe $15/500. I think after all this craziness is over, I'm going to be laying in a good stock of .22LR as well as primers, powder and various bullets. After the death of my identical-twin brother, I found almost all his ammo and components being thrown away. He had very little .22 LR, but he several cases of .30-06 ball and .308/7.62mm ball which I was given. The .308 is long gone, but I'm still shooting the .30-06 ball. I still have some of his powder, bullets and primers and cases.

 

[swanny]

I have access to the magbot site but just a few links to 5.56 mags nothing for us yet.

 

[TheMaineEvent]

One "issue" I see in times like this is that people can fall into a trap of sorts where they buy more than they really need. Finding items such as mags and ammo becomes sort of a game/challenge. When they find something you almost feel compelled to buy it whether you really need it or not.
I'm guilty of it too, but I thankfully hit my ammo ceiling last week so I'm done looking for a while. I don't have anywhere near 17K rounds as I'm at 8k rounds, but that fills my needs for this year.

 

[19 Kilo]

One "issue" I see in times like this is that people can fall into a trap of sorts where they buy more than they really need. Finding items such as mags and ammo becomes sort of a game/challenge. When they find something you almost feel compelled to buy it whether you really need it or not.
I'm guilty of it too, but I thankfully hit my ammo ceiling last week so I'm done looking for a while. I don't have anywhere near 17K rounds as I'm at 8k rounds, but that fills my needs for this year.

I'm guilty of it too. I've been picking up mags when I can find them, just as a precaution. Hell, I bought 10 GI mags today because I got them at a close to pre-panic price and I don't even own an AR. If I can find the gear at a good price, I'll snap up a couple.

Now that the main panic is tapering off, I see two things being a problem for the supply chain: Of the 65 million new NICS check buyers, if 1/3rd of those actually want to shoot (not hoarders or flippers), that's a lot of new bodies picking up supplies. The other part is the newbs who aren't hoarders or flippers, but don't really understand what is happening with the AWB. I think most reasonable people knew it was dead pretty soon after arrival, and I think that artificially skewed my optimism. I was in my LGS a couple weeks ago and was standing next to a guy who asked the clerk if "they still could sell semi-automatics".

Those people, the ones who know *something* is happening with guns, but not quite what, will be clogging the supply chain for a while just because they aren't following closely.

 

[Majorlk]

Some interesting figures ...


Smith & Wesson-is running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.

RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.

FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1.

Remington-Maxed out!

Armalite: Maxed out.

DPMS: Can't get enough parts to produce any more product.

COLT: Production runs increasing weekly…bottle necked by Bolt carrier's.

LWRC:Making only black guns, running at full capacity…can't get enough gun quality steel to make barrels.

Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind.

AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rounds produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in line.

Majorlk's Note: The above does not explain the shortage of .22 LR as neither the military nor LE makes large use of .22 LR

MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large quantities of magpul anytime soon.

RELOADERS… ALL Remington, Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no extra's for reloading purposes… it could be 6-9 months before things get caught up.

 

[RedNeck Jim]

Boy, did I ever pick the wrong business to get into.

 

[ARGH]

Panic is not over. There is nothing in stock at msrp pricing.

everything is in stock for the ones with money, though!

 

[radar1972]

I can't pay all the ridiculous prices I've seen. Although I support free enterprise, I just can't afford to pay at the price gouging levels. Which means fewer trips to the range until the panic and hoarding are finished.

 

[stlr_dude]

When stores have ammo on the shelf for more than 1 day, then I might believe the "Tide has Shifted"

 

[Majorlk]

When stores have ammo on the shelf for more than 1 day, then I might believe the "Tide has Shifted"

I will be very surprised if "the tide shifts" any sooner than this fall, at the earliest. More likely the end of the year. Just my educated guess, based on the shortage of ammo and primers three years ago.

 

[swanny]

I am in manufacturing and have some colleagues at some of the big players in the game most of them were at full capacity prior to the panic.

 

[don5]

Some interesting figures ...


Smith & Wesson-is running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.

RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.

FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1.

Remington-Maxed out!

Armalite: Maxed out.

DPMS: Can't get enough parts to produce any more product.

COLT: Production runs increasing weekly…bottle necked by Bolt carrier's.

LWRC:Making only black guns, running at full capacity…can't get enough gun quality steel to make barrels.

Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind.

AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rounds produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in line.

Majorlk's Note: The above does not explain the shortage of .22 LR as neither the military nor LE makes large use of .22 LR

MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large quantities of magpul anytime soon.

RELOADERS… ALL Remington, Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no extra's for reloading purposes… it could be 6-9 months before things get caught up.

Thank You Major for the info! This should probably be titled as a seperate thread. This is the best info I have seen so far regarding the manufacturing plants and their production. Kudos to you for providing this info! Looks like we won't be seeing any letup for awhile.

 

[bad2006z71]

Some interesting figures ...


Smith & Wesson-is running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.

RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.

FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1.

Remington-Maxed out!

Armalite: Maxed out.

DPMS: Can't get enough parts to produce any more product.

COLT: Production runs increasing weekly…bottle necked by Bolt carrier's.

LWRC:Making only black guns, running at full capacity…can't get enough gun quality steel to make barrels.

Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind.

AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rounds produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in line.

Majorlk's Note: The above does not explain the shortage of .22 LR as neither the military nor LE makes large use of .22 LR

MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large quantities of magpul anytime soon.

RELOADERS… ALL Remington, Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no extra's for reloading purposes… it could be 6-9 months before things get caught up.

This has been floating around the interwebs for awhile. Not saying it isn't true but take it with a grain of salt.

I would say that most Manufactures are close to or at capacity, with few adding anymore capacity. Mainly out of fear of govt regulations that may still come down the pipe and that these last 4 years have kind of been an anomaly.

 

[Majorlk]

This has been floating around the interwebs for awhile. Not saying it isn't true but take it with a grain of salt.

I would say that most Manufactures are close to or at capacity, with few adding anymore capacity. Mainly out of fear of govt regulations that may still come down the pipe and that these last 4 years have kind of been an anomaly.

So, what part of it do you think isn't true, based on the current situation?

 

[bad2006z71]

So, what part of it do you think isn't true, based on the current situation?

Didn't say it wasn't true, said take it with a grain of salt, just like anything else on the web. SA couldn't keep up with demand for the last 2yrs or so, at least the 1911 demand.

 

[swanny]

Magpul has already announced the 1 million back log isn't true the reason they are not ramping up production is because there is a current bill in Colorado that if passed would shut them down they provide 700 suppliers with mags including all branches of military so their priorities have shifted due to the panic.

 

[Majorlk]

Magpul has already announced the 1 million back log isn't true the reason they are not ramping up production is because there is a current bill in Colorado that if passed would shut them down they provide 700 suppliers with mags including all branches of military so their priorities have shifted due to the panic.

The bill passed today, and according to Code Red Firearms, MagPul announced they are leaving Colorado as soon as another factory location can be secured.

Supposedly, their largest subcontractor has told Colorado the same thing.

 

[LeeVance]

Boy, did I ever pick the wrong business to get into.

Isnt that the truth!

Hyatts Guns in Charlotte, NC advertises they are the largest indy owned store in America with over 7,000 firearms in stock on any given day (they say..probably not now though... )

In business since 1959...had their biggest day...thats ONE DAY not long after this crazy buying trend started...

They did $1,000,000.00 ....(thats) ONE MILLION $ in one day!

Made national news.

Thats a LOT of sale any way you look at it for one day!